Pentagon releases UFO footage

[MookJong]

I think it best to wait for context because I am sure that UAPs may well be of ‘concern’, however since they spend such a tiny amount of money on these and the Military are not acting like they massively care, it doesn’t add up. I mean if a credible threat, why aren’t they on a high alert status as if being attacked? If Russian fighters kept buzzing them every 5 mins, you can bet they’d be acting differently, Aliens with technology so far advanced? nah.. Just sit back and relax..

I read the responses so far as being to deal with the likes of Luis Elizondo / Nick Pope (People that make a living from keeping this notion going) that have riled up the media a bit and fed them to push this "These are a serious threat to our national security, OMG, why are the government not doing anything to protect us and our armed forces"..

The issue is, all the main rhetoric of 'technology several generations ahead' and all the outlandish claims of 'defying the laws of physics' are always from people making a living from this that rely on keeping the myth alive.. Some of the video's they've claimed show 'acceleration that defies the laws of physics', it then turns out through careful inspection to be things like the Gimbal behaviour (or similar)..

I think most people would love to know that Alien technology has been found, it would be absolutely amazing, however that's what not being peddled, it's FUD to make a living, so it's ramped up to the notion that Aliens secretly live here (under the ocean), whilst laughably supposedly having technology so far advanced that they keep getting caught by the crappest of our several generations old technology and can't quite make it over the hill when disabling/enabling our nuclear assets..

I'm sadly not expecting anything exciting from the report, other than some UAPs are still unidentified and that of course they will take them seriously to allay fears of 'security'..

Can definitely sympathise with this position, it does a lot of the time just seem like smoke and mirrors peddled by a few key people. I think what is good with this report is that it has really been escalated, it's a bit of a calling their bluff situation. One side or the other is going to lose this time because clearly this topic is going to get a thorough investigation. Unlike at the time of BlueBook the technology we have now means a coordinated scientific effort should be able to put this to bed if there really isn't anything there.

What puts my faith on there being something to this is that we have so many service people coming forward to say they were witness to something unusual, it's not just the Nick Popes of this world pushing the agenda.

 

[Digital X]

Yeah that's the one MookJong. The edge of the seat quote rings a bell.

 

[Felon]

What is wrong with saying something is "multiple generations ahead of what we consider next generation technology"? The implication is clear... it's technologically beyond anything that we consider to be in development that would be the next logical advancement of our own technologies.

Just for accuracy; the person making this far-fetched analysis doesn't actually work for the US government, or has any official capacity whatsoever. He does in fact work for a company who make TV shows about aliens and UFOs.

 

[Lysander]

nvm

 

[Felon]

He also spent twenty years in the Special Forces.

So where's the evidence then?

If he did all of the things he claims he did (a number of which are contested, or unverifiable) why isn't there any evidence to back up the claims being made?

 

[Lysander]

I can't really be bothered to discuss this at the moment, sorry. I find the whole tone of this topic depressing. Hence my removing my post.

 

[ethan]

Just for accuracy; the person making this far-fetched analysis doesn't actually work for the US government, or has any official capacity whatsoever. He does in fact work for a company who make TV shows about aliens and UFOs.

What difference does that make to the equation when the optical and electrical data independently acquired from these incidents have been reported to corroborate what's he's said - especially when all you're offering is thinly veild ad-hominen?

 

[ethan]

What puts my faith on there being something to this is that we have so many service people coming forward to say they were witness to something unusual, it's not just the Nick Popes of this world pushing the agenda

Yes. I recently came across one Scientist begging to be given the data. She didn't have a problem to what the armchair experts refer to as multi generation technologies. She suggested the "evidence" pointed to some of the UAP's simply not using inertia as a means of Propulsion which would explain the lack of recordable heat signature and the lack of a sonic boom when going supersonic. Rather amazingly she implied some of the UAP's could be five dimensional objects blinking in and out of three dimensional space the same way the tip of a pencil would puncture through a piece of paper. So the level of sophistication to be able to achieve this is off the scale of anything we could currently achieve.

 

[Lysander]

Yes. I recently came across one Scientist begging to be given the data. She didn't have a problem to what the armchair experts refer to as multi generation technologies. She suggested the "evidence" pointed to some of the UAP's simply not using inertia as a means of Propulsion which would explain the lack of recordable heat signature and the lack of a sonic boom when going supersonic. Rather amazingly she implied some of the UAP's could be five dimensional objects blinking in and out of three dimensional space the same way the tip of a pencil would puncture through a piece of paper. So the level of sophistication to be able to achieve this is off the scale of anything we could currently achieve.

Yes, that's the Flatland theory.

 

[ethan]

Yes, that's the Flatland theory.

Yes it is. Thanks for the reminder

 

[Felon]

What difference does that make to the equation when the optical and electrical data from these incidents have been reported to corroborate what's he's said when all you're offering is thinly veild ad-hominen?

Where is the optical and electrical data which corroborates or validates any of the claims being made?

 

[Pottsey]

What is wrong with saying something is "multiple generations ahead of what we consider next generation technology"? The implication is clear... it's technologically beyond anything that we consider to be in development that would be the next logical advancement of our own technologies.

And yeah clearly he used wrong word with "galaxy", but the context of what he meant was also clear.

If they are from outside our galaxy they are well beyond the 2 or 3 generations of what we consider next generation technology. Are we really going to be going outside our own solar system in 2 or 3 generations of technology yet alone outside the galaxy? It seems to me he doesn't really understand what he is talking about. 2 to 3 generations of technology will be well within most of our lifetimes.

 

[keyser]

Yes. I recently came across one Scientist begging to be given the data. She didn't have a problem to what the armchair experts refer to as multi generation technologies. She suggested the "evidence" pointed to some of the UAP's simply not using inertia as a means of Propulsion which would explain the lack of recordable heat signature and the lack of a sonic boom when going supersonic. Rather amazingly she implied some of the UAP's could be five dimensional objects blinking in and out of three dimensional space the same way the tip of a pencil would puncture through a piece of paper. So the level of sophistication to be able to achieve this is off the scale of anything we could currently achieve.

Scientist? You mean this youtuber?

Her theory was sound, as long as you don't question the whole "these things are real" assumption.

Maybe the multidimensional beings keep editing the the data file just as the report is about to be published.

Where did I put my keys?

 

[ethan]

Where is the optical and electrical data which corroborates or validates any of the claims being made?

It was provided to Congress as evidence a day or two ago and will form the basis of the a watered down and unclassified report" that's going to be given to the public after the 25th of June. Sigh ?

I can't believe your asking this when it was previously pointed out to you you're knowingly asking for things that are not either going to be given or not going to be given in their current form.

Furthermore, that evidence is being used to determine whether the UAP phenomena represents a serious security threat to the armed forces of the USA-and so on?

 

[Angilion]

They were given to congress yesterday or the day before and will form the basis of the "watered down and unclassified conclusion" to be given to the public after the 25th of June.

So you haven't seen any of it and thus have no idea whether or not it corroborates or validates any of the claims being made.

I can't believe your asking this given it is being used to determine whether the UAP phenomena represents a serious security threat to the armed forces of the USA?

Given that they've been mostly ignoring it for decades without any problems, they've already determined that it doesn't.

It's a moot point anyway - if 5-dimensional entities with technology so vastly in advance of ours that it's incomprehensible and may as well be supergodmagic were hostile, there would be bugger all we could do about it. USA military against them would be a bigger mismatch than a group of homo erectus with wooden spears against USA military with artillery, drones, ground attack aircraft, tanks and missiles and machineguns.

 

[LeMson]

maybe the aliens are LGBTQQIP2SAA rather than men (sic)

 

[ethan]

So you haven't seen any of it and thus have no idea whether or not it corroborates or validates any of the claims being made.

. I'm assuming you're either being facetious here or rhetorical.
Either way it's stupid to assume somebody with the overall responsibility for dealing with these things from the Pentagon is just going to walk up to congress and say it was all a mistake-regardless of the risk.

Given that they've been mostly ignoring it for decades without any problems, they've already determined that it doesn't.

I wouldn't call accessing the launch codes of ICBMS not to be a problem or the claims from some militaries that there is nothing of any defence significance to warrant an investigation-to be credible given the current situation-would you?

It's a moot point anyway - if 5-dimensional entities with technology so vastly in advance of ours that it's incomprehensible and may as well be supergodmagic were hostile, there would be bugger all we could do about it. USA military against them would be a bigger mismatch than a group of homo erectus with wooden spears against USA military with artillery, drones, ground attack aircraft, tanks and missiles and machineguns.

I agree. I suppose all we-meaning me and you can do is just take a back seat, relax and see where all of this goes-if it goes anywhere at all?

 

[Angilion]

. I'm assuming you're either being facetious here or rhetorical.

Neither. I'm being accurate. You're claiming that it corroborates or validates claims being made but you have no idea what it is and therefore can't know what it does or doesn't corroborate.

I wouldn't call accessing the launch codes of ICBMS not to be a problem or the claims from some militaries that there is nothing of any defence significance to warrant an investigation-to be credible given the current situation-would you?

Yes, I would. A few unexplained lights in the sky or on a screen that have had no effect on anything don't constitute a definite threat. After decades of no effect, it can very reasonably be pencilled in as not a threat.

I agree. I suppose all we-meaning me and you can do is just take a back seat, relax and see where all of this goes-if it goes anywhere at all?

That I agree with. Fighting gods is futile. Even that's an understatement - the gap between us and these hypothetical hyper-mega-super-powerful entities is far greater than the gap between us and almost all of the gods various people have believed in throughout human history.

 

[ethan]

Neither. I'm being accurate. You're claiming that it corroborates or validates claims being made but you have no idea what it is and therefore can't know what it does or doesn't corroborate.

It's enough to know that whatever is being said has to be corroborated with extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary evidence. In this context there's no need to know the specifics of what's being said. We simply rely on the law of contradiction, the excluded middle and the law of identity to make sure that what's being said and reported, remains sensible and logical.

Your trying to hide the fact your being flippant/silly by playing with words in an argument that needs not apply.

A few unexplained lights in the sky or on a screen that have had no effect on anything don't constitute a definite threat.

It's a lot more complicated than that. With the example of the Omaha-if there's no perceived definite threat, this has to be ascertained in the present according to a set of criteria- and not just after the fact post priori-like your claiming.

Furthermore-if the "lights" in the sky have had no effect on anything-and not, as you say, constituted a definite threat, why is it then the report has been presented to Congress with a number of those Congressmen being rattled/concerned about the defence of the United States along with that of the safety of their military personnel?

 

[The Running Man]

That I agree with. Fighting gods is futile. Even that's an understatement - the gap between us and these hypothetical hyper-mega-super-powerful entities is far greater than the gap between us and almost all of the gods various people have believed in throughout human history.

Thats not true anyone who's seen independence day will know that a solid punch and an apple device is all we need to defeat these intruders.