Pentagon releases UFO footage

It also wasn't a mobile phone camera but a £1000+ standalone camera and that's the best they could do.
I never said it was a mobile phone

How about this one which was definitely unplanned because they were shooting the moon


I don't think you realise how many people have astrophotography and bird photography as a hobby, you would think 1 of them would have caught something remotely interesting with the nice kit they all have
 
I never said it was a mobile phone

How about this one which was definitely unplanned because they were shooting the moon


I don't think you realise how many people have astrophotography and bird photography as a hobby, you would think 1 of them would have caught something remotely interesting with the nice kit they all have
Well I am into into astrophotography so I do have some idea and no I wouldn't expect one of them to catch something as the chances while not impossible are astronomically small. Given that there 10's of millions of planes flights a year and that's just 1 year, over 100 million over 10 years and look how rare those style of shots are. Assuming UFO's are real, unless you think UFO's are making 10's of millions of flight a year we shouldn't expect someone with nice kit to by fluke get a perfect shot of them. The chance of someone being in the right spot at the right time with the right kit are astronomically small. Far smaller then catching a plane and that's hard enough. While UFO's are real I am not convinced they are alien but lets assume they are for arguments sake. What if they are only visiting in 10's or 100's of visits a year? How would someone by fluke be expected to catch a good photo of them without flight plan compared to the 10's of millions of plane flights and how hard it is to see them.
 
I don't think you realise how many people have astrophotography and bird photography as a hobby, you would think 1 of them would have caught something remotely interesting with the nice kit they all have


Yep people seem to have equipment like car dashcams which have reasonable quality - for insurance purposes generally etc. but the footage they capture is video which should over time lets say with people and their stationary cameras, cctv means the chance to capture something should be massively greater than it was say in the 60/70/80's.
 
He might accept it but I don't so there is no backtracking. The only reason we can tell its a plane is because we are familiar with the black outline shape of a plane and so we can make a safe assumption on what it is from the blurred outline. The actual footage is blurred, lacking in detail and just a pixelated black object so unless we are familiar with the outline of the object we cannot tell what it is. We cannot tell its a plane beyond the outline we are familiar with. If it wasn't a familiar shaped outline we wouldn't have a clue what it is. As I said before if those planes didn't have wings and we only had the core body in the photo/video we would be clueless on what the object was. Which is why its so hard to tell what UFO's are as its next to impossible to get decent footage as your video proves where you couldn't get decent footage of a low and slow flying plane. Your photo is the equivalent of a black blurred outline UFO photo without any detail. In short if those planes in your video where an unfamiliar shape you would be clueless on what they are as you have no detail.

Good grief have a word with yourself, even with the highly compressed video I linked everybody can tell they are normal planes.
I didn't have the video but did a screen grab of it with Movavi Screen capture, the original video is more detailed.
You are arguing over nothing because I was replying to somebody else and you thought I was on about UFOs.

Yes it was in Zimbabwe in the mid 90's. What was their idea on debunking? I might have a look for it.

I think it was on NASA's Unexplained Files.
They are usually good because they will say if they don't know but the African one was explained.
 
Good grief have a word with yourself, even with the highly compressed video I linked everybody can tell they are normal planes.
I didn't have the video but did a screen grab of it with Movavi Screen capture, the original video is more detailed.
You are arguing over nothing because I was replying to somebody else and you thought I was on about UFOs.



I think it was on NASA's Unexplained Files.
They are usually good because they will say if they don't know but the African one was explained.
Cheers, I'll give it a watch after I've seen the Ariel film.
 
Good grief have a word with yourself, even with the highly compressed video I linked everybody can tell they are normal planes.
I didn't have the video but did a screen grab of it with Movavi Screen capture, the original video is more detailed.
You are arguing over nothing because I was replying to somebody else and you thought I was on about UFOs.



I think it was on NASA's Unexplained Files.
They are usually good because they will say if they don't know but the African one was explained.
I am not arguing over nothing. You think the video proves something that it does not in relation to the person you quoted. No one is denying you can tell they are planes. The reason we can tell they are plans is what you seem to not understand.

This is the quote "It's funny, but actually if you try taking a decent video of a plane it's almost impossible. My pixel 6 pro can't, so unless you get very lucky and have some specialist equipment we're stick with pixelated videos." You then picked a video of relatively slow flying planes that was also flying low and despite those advantages failed to show us any evidence of a decent video/Photo. Your photo/video is not decent and is pixelated yet you are acting like it disproves the comments on how hard it is to get decent none pixelated footage of planes. All you have done is prove the other person correct. Surly you don't honestly think that's a decent video or photo that is clear and unpixellated? Perhaps it looks ok on a tiny mobile screen but once you play it back on a decent sized screen you can see just how terrible the quality is. If the planes wasn't a familiar distinctive shape it would be impossible to tell what the object was. Like I said before if you remove the wings so its no longer a familiar distinctive shape then we wouldn't have a clue what the object was. Proving how hard it is to take decent footage of things in the sky.
 
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Nonsense you can spot an aircraft at cruising altitude with the naked eye, they're not hard to see
Do you know about the difference between looking at a familiar distinctive shape that is blurred and lacking in detail and telling what it and looking at a none familiar, none distinctive shape that is blurred and lacking in detail and telling what it is. The best real world example I can give you is looking at CCTV. If you are not familiar with the person often you will see a blurred mess and it will be impossible to identify the person. Yet someone that is very familiar will be able to tell who they are looking at. This rule applies to objects high in the sky the brain fills in the gaps and based on it being familiar with the object. Yes you can see a aircraft at cruising altitude but the only reason you can tell what it is, is due to the distinctive outline and its a familiar shape so your brain can resolve it. Looking at a none distinctive outline that is not familiar is an entirely different ball game. You likely wont be able to tell what is it in that last case.
 
I am not arguing over nothing. You think the video proves something that it does not in relation to the person you quoted. No one is denying you can tell they are planes. The reason we can tell they are plans is what you seem to not understand.

This is the quote "It's funny, but actually if you try taking a decent video of a plane it's almost impossible. My pixel 6 pro can't, so unless you get very lucky and have some specialist equipment we're stick with pixelated videos." You then picked a video of relatively slow flying planes that was also flying low and despite those advantages failed to show us any evidence of a decent video/Photo. Your photo/video is not decent and is pixelated yet you are acting like it disproves the comments on how hard it is to get decent none pixelated footage of planes. All you have done is prove the other person correct. Surly you don't honestly think that's a decent video or photo that is clear and unpixellated? Perhaps it looks ok on a tiny mobile screen but once you play it back on a decent sized screen you can see just how terrible the quality is. If the plans wasn't a familiar distinctive shape it would be impossible to tell what the object was. Like I said before if you remove the wings so its no longer a familiar distinctive shape then we wouldn't have a clue what the object was. Proving how hard it is to take decent footage of things in the sky.

You're missing the point that there are wings on it and you can tell what they are.
Give up.
Even a 3 year old could tell you what they are and also they are not 'slow moving'.
 
You're missing the point that there are wings on it and you can tell what they are.
Give up.
Even a 3 year old could tell you what they are and also they are not 'slow moving'.
For what its worth Mr Sexy, your video/images proved the point you was trying to make to the poster you were replying too, and I cannot work out why Mr Pottsey is trying to say, well I can, but it has nothing to do with your original point.
 
You're missing the point that there are wings on it and you can tell what they are.
Give up.
Even a 3 year old could tell you what they are and also they are not 'slow moving'.
The fact a 3 year old can tell what they are is irreverent. The point is anyone could show a blurred part out of focus pixelated and full of artifacts mess of a photo with zero details just a black outline and we could still tell they are planes beacuase the shape is so distinctive.

Just been back and checked the full quote. The other person said its near impossible to take a video of a plane that is not pixelated. You then posted a heavily pixelated photo and video that also has tons of artifacts and called him BS. You are acting as though your photo/video is proof its possible to take a decent photo and video of a plane. Only the video/photo you posted is not what I would call decent and it has all the pixelated and artifacts problems the other person was talking about. All that and you had the advantage of the planes flying low and relatively slow yet alone fast and high up.

As for slow moving I said relatively slow as in for a plane they are flying both low to the ground and slow compared to what most plans do. I assume you are aware being low to the ground can make them apear to be going faster then they are. Just like when they are high up they apear to be going slower then they are. Height determines how fast or slow they apear to be going.
 
The fact a 3 year old can tell what they are is irreverent. The point is anyone could show a blurred part out of focus pixelated and full of artifacts mess of a photo with zero details just a black outline and we could still tell they are planes beacuase the shape is so distinctive.

Just been back and checked the full quote. The other person said its near impossible to take a video of a plane that is not pixelated. You then posted a heavily pixelated photo and video that also has tons of artifacts and called him BS. You are acting as though your photo/video is proof its possible to take a decent photo and video of a plane. Only the video/photo you posted is not what I would call decent and it has all the pixelated and artifacts problems the other person was talking about. All that and you had the advantage of the planes flying low and relatively slow yet alone fast and high up.

As for slow moving I said relatively slow as in for a plane they are flying both low to the ground and slow compared to what most plans do. I assume you are aware being low to the ground can make them apear to be going faster then they are. Just like when they are high up they apear to be going slower then they are. Height determines how fast or slow they apear to be going.

Good grief do you ever give up :)
They are planes, everybody can see they are planes but for some reason you want to argue about it :)
 
Good grief do you ever give up :)
They are planes, everybody can see they are planes but for some reason you want to argue about it :)
What has being able to tell they are planes got to do with anything? We where talking about taking decent photos/videos that are not pixelated and don't have artifacts in. As per the quote. Your the one that called BS on that statement and went on to post this pixelated photo/video as proof of how you can take decent photos/videos of objects in the sky without being pixelated. I really don't see how this disprove the person you quoted. If anything this proves everything they said is correct.

 
What has being able to tell they are planes got to do with anything? We where talking about taking decent photos/videos that are not pixelated and don't have artifacts in. As per the quote. Your the one that called BS on that statement and went on to post this pixelated photo/video as proof of how you can take decent photos/videos of objects in the sky without being pixelated. I really don't see how this disprove the person you quoted. If anything this proves everything they said is correct.



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I really don't see how this disprove the person you quoted. If anything this proves everything they said is correct.

Weird how the person agreed with me :)
 
Weird how the person agreed with me :)
Its not really weird, what is weird is you think that is a decent photo/video which is not pixelated and without artifacts. At a guess I would assume the other person looked at it on a small mobile phone screen rather then on a good quality larger screen. It doesnt matter what he thinks as the proof is in my post that your wrong. Your video/photo proves how hard is to take decent videos of flying objects without it being pixelated and without artifacts. Your photo/video proves that if the object is not distinctively shaped its next to impossible to take a decent video/photo and tell what it is if its flying high and fast.
 
I didn't say that, I said you could identify a plane and it's a plane (actually several planes).
You're the one spouting about pixels.
Honest you don't half go on and on about something I never said :)
You might want to read #1768 you never said anything about identifying planes in the post I quoted. Remember when you said and I quote you "You need to read #1767," We are clearly talking about being unable to take a decent video and how its near impossible to not get a none pixelized video unless you have specialist equipment. In the way you wrote your post it means you think you can take decent video that is not pixelized as you called that statement bull. Then you promptly posted a video on none specialist equipment that proves him right. Then acted as though your photo/video proves him wrong despite the fact your photo/video is not decent and clearly pixelized.

Anyway you have derailed this thread enough with your nonsense. Facts prove you wrong so its time to get back on topic.
 
You might want to read #1768 you never said anything about identifying planes in the post I quoted. Remember when you said and I quote you "You need to read #1767," We are clearly talking about being unable to take a decent video and how its near impossible to not get a none pixelized video unless you have specialist equipment. In the way you wrote your post it means you think you can take decent video that is not pixelized as you called that statement bull. Then you promptly posted a video on none specialist equipment that proves him right. Then acted as though your photo/video proves him wrong despite the fact your photo/video is not decent and clearly pixelized.

Anyway you have derailed this thread enough with your nonsense. Facts prove you wrong so its time to get back on topic.

It's you who have derailed it with your utter nonsense about pixels.
I proved you could take an identifiable plane picture with a very poor sub standard smartphone and then you rant on about pixels :)

Yeah that's pretty decent actually. Certainly better than my attempt. You'd have thought someone would have caught something by now.

and this is from the person who thought it was hard to do but oh no, it's all about the pixels :)

Go derail somebody else's thread.
 
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