Soldato
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The Truth Is Out There.
Pentagon releases UFO footage
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You don't half watch some nonsense. Based on your posts I do wonder about the youtubers you seem to follow. What's that even got to do with my quote?
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You do know monkeys and apes have been used before in craft to test out how they are effected from a biological point of view. Its not unreasonable to speculate they could have been used again in an experimental craft that crashed, a craft deigned by a skunkworks project. That's a valid discussion point unlike you nonsense youtube post.
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Animals in space - Wikipedia
Sure, although I think it's deemed cruel these days, in the West anyway.
If any animal was found in a crash wouldn't it be sampled for DNA etc to find out what it was? Or let me guess: it's all a conspiracy of some kind, ufologists love those.
Again, spit balling. If you think about it, they wouldn’t need to be DNA tested and it would explain where the story of none human biologicals came from and explain none human bodies being recovered from an exotic unknown craft. But instead of discussing a possible realistic explanation you just want to look down at us and post silly videos and comments aimed at us. While we cannot prove it, this is a reasonable explanation that would explained a crashed UFO sighting like Rosewell and how people reported bodies being recovered from an unknown craft. It would also explain why it was kept hidden, why no DNA tests would be done and why the pubic was lied to and it was covered up as a weather balloon. But no you don't want to discuss a sensible idea and instead want to just make fun off and look down at us. At least that how you come across.Animals in space - Wikipedia
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Sure, although I think it's deemed cruel these days, in the West anyway.
If any animal was found in a crash wouldn't it be sampled for DNA etc to find out what it was? Or let me guess: it's all a conspiracy of some kind, ufologists love those.
The people you make fun off and look down at, at times turn out to be right while you are wrong. It wouldn’t surprise me if in the past if you made fun of us for talking about stealth silent black helicopters. Only we were right. This was a big conspiracy for years that people like you made fun of us over until it turned out to be true.
Or a few years back when it was a conspiracy that the US government had a hidden UFO/UAP department that they denied having which studied UFO/UAP’s. If anyone mentioned this in the past, people like you would just post silly videos, make silly comments and look down at us. Only we were right and you if you did that would have been wrong.
Now its starting to look like there really is an illegal SAP programs running illegal experiments and again your looking down at us for talking about it as a possibility.
As I said before there is nothing wrong with being sceptical but you shouldn't automatically dismiss everything without even looking, like you have done time and time again this this thread often without even bothering to watch the video or read the link. Just like your posts appear to show you didn't even bother to watch the 3 witness testimonies or read there opening statements a few days ago. I bet you just dismissed them out of hand.
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Man of Honour
if there were monkeys they would have said monkeys instead let's use the term 'non human'
How when he wasnt there and didn't know they where monkeys? Perhaps I didn't explain clearly enough in this hypothetical. Let me try again with more detail. Sorry I am going to have to make a long post to get my idea across.if there were monkeys they would have said monkeys instead let's use the term 'non human'
As I said before just spit balling if we go with Rosewell really happened as in a crash was real and there really was a coverup up with an weather balloon and the illegal SAP projects talked about in the testimony are real. Then I am proposing that one possible realistic explanation is the exotic prototype craft crashed with monkeys or similar strapped in for testing purposes to see the impact on biological matter. Now this craft crashed and its from an illegal project hidden from Congress so they need to cover it up. So they have to cover it up with the military going in to cordon off the area while the specialist from the SAP go in to recover the "bodies" and craft parts. We know the military and SAP projects are highly compartmentalised so its likely the bulk of the people on the ground have no idea was is really going off and are just following orders.
So the grunts on the outside of the cordon are seeing hairless none human bodies being put in bags from this unknown none looking human craft. The grunts can tell they are not human by the overall shape. But they don't realise they are monkeys as the bodies are hairless + damage from the crash and the grunts position at a distance they cannot get a close look. All the grunts see is a none human looking body being taken away from an unknown craft that doesn't match anything publicly known as a human craft as its an illegal Skuntworks project running experimental technology. To further complicate matters due to the experimental craft test flights over the previous weeks there have been repots of UFO's doing speeds that no known human craft can do. This is really the SAP project craft but the public and Grunts will not know this.
So with the word on the street being UFO's the Grunts have UFO's on there mind. The grunts are told they have seen nothing and and this is classified. A few days later the public are told a weather balloon crashed. From the Grunts prospective its going to look very much like a never before seen craft crashed with none human bodies removed and then this was covered up the same weeks the public are reporting mass UFO sightings. At which point I am sure some some of them would have thought that an Alien craft crashed with bodies recovered and then the rumours spread.
Fast forward years and Grusch is looking into these SAP projects as part of job role. He finds references to none human biological matter but not what the matter comes from. He speaks to some grunts on the ground from that day who describe to him how they witnessed Alien like bodies removed from an Alien like craft for an illegal covered up SAP. Grusch tried to access further reports and details into this SAP project and is blocked. He has enough data to know something happened. Hence why he says none human biological instead of ET or Alien and why he says there is a illegal SAP project being run.
I will hold my hand up and say I am making a lot of intuitive leaps without evidence. Like I said just spit balling for discussion and trying to explain how we might have an illegal SAP running experimental technology that is mistaken as Alien or ET.
I believe the people who think its all balloons, birds, ducks are completely wrong. At the same time there are other options then jumping to Alien or ET. I have only had time to watch half the Congress briefing but its clear Grush is not liking the term Alien/ET and when the word "Alien" came up in a question he flat out said he doesn't like that term Alien and wont use it. He is not saying Aliens. He is saying none human biologicals and exotic. Well SAPs use exotic technology and in the past none human biologicals have been used for testing that technology to see how the tech reacts to biological matter. Surly this is a more down to earth and more likely explanation then ET Aliens. I would also say this or something similar is a more likely explanation then the nonsense about birds, ducks and balloons.
EDIT: Just watched Gravor's testimony. Well that rules out the nonsense about Ducks and Birds.
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Man of Honour
Pottsey, you seriously need to sit back and think about what you're posting.
It would make a good Sci-Fi film though.
I don't see it as Sci-Fi. Like I said before I am just throw out suggestions for discussion that I see as more likely then ET/Aliens and explain the events being reported better then ducks, birds and balloons. I don't understand why people are concluding the briefings are talking about Aliens/ET. Experimental craft from SAP's seem a far more likely explanation to me over birds, balloons or Aliens.
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I'm from the school of thought (science) there is nothing to discuss since the things that have been said aren't backed up by anything meaningful so far.
Ufology is inherently unscientific; look a new blurry video - proof of all those crazy things I keep talking about, promising things are right around the corner, big news incoming, something about shaved monkeys, some people know everything yada yada same things said for last 70 years.
Science loves to speculate. It's called science fiction. Please, continue with the hairless monkey talk.
That’s not how I see it. From my point of view, you are not approaching this from a school of thought (science). You are coming across as automatically dismissing everything out of hand without even looking at what is being shown or said. Which is against the school of thought (science) approach.
Except for its not. If you didn’t dismiss everything out of hand and watched the testimonies and Congress briefings you would see its not remotely the same as the past 70 years. Congress are not working from unscientific blurry videos. They even go into a big part of the problem is the stigma that people like you have. This stigma is causing problems in getting to the bottom of this very real phenomenon that people don't want to believe is real. The stigma needs to go.
Some highlights from Congress
“ The US government is aware a lot more sightings of UAPs and that they have not made that information public.” They went on to say in the initial analysis they had 171 reports of objects that demonstrated unusual flight characteristics or performance capabilities IE not birds or balloons. This isn't about Ufology. They are not even assuming its Aliens/ET. Grusch who you dismissed before without even looking at what he said, refused to say Alien as he didn't like the word. Everything is starting to point towards an illegally run SAP skunkworks project. But of course you dismiss that.
You think ?
Not sure "intuitive" is the word I would use.
If, as you claim, it is a secret, illegal project - would they really be buzzing military aircraft and carriers who they know will have cameras and tracking systems , would they really be flying over large cities flipping their lights on and off ? Or is that just the "shaved monkeys" having a bit of fun with the switches ?
I mean, at least have the balls to stick to the idea its Aliens rather than making up utter rubbish.
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Because pre-supposing to the Nth bloody degree that some lens flare, a duck and a balloon are absolutely evidence of aliens, secret government technology or whatever (with zero evidence), is highly scientific and well within the realms of logic and reason.
I see no problem with this approach
I was on about 1950's and 1960's crash's and spit balling ideas on how they could possibly be mistaken as aliens when they are really classified skunkworks projects that crashed. My idea doesn't really work for the modern world. But it would explain how those old project could lead to false rumours of Aliens and crashed craft. I know some people on here are making fun about aliens crashing left, right and centre. But as far as I can tell the reports of crashed craft being recovered are most from around the 1940's give or take a decade. I believe those crashes are not aliens but SAP projects testing out projects that failed.
As for stick to the idea its aliens. I would point out that I have on a large number of occasions said I am not convinced its aliens and UFOs are rather more likely classified prototype experimental craft which are likely unmanned in more recent years.
Its funny how many people think my post is nonsense when the same idea just came up in the 2nd half of the Congress briefing. I didn't know that at the time I made my post. Clearly other people have had the same or similar idea of SAP programs from one department crashing and people outside that department recovering it. Of course that's a silly idea on this forum.
From Congress briefing. "would it be safe to say that there could be scenario today where you have, an aircraft that crashes and because it’s been involved in one program from one federal agency but the agency that retrieves it, is not aware of that program and to them, it it appears alien in origin."
Soldato
The biggest mystery in this thread is how it’s taken until today for you to watch this Congress briefing, despite you banging on about it for WEEKS before hand, and posting innumerable long replies in this thread since it was held!
Saying it’s a duck or balloon with no evidence when the weather is perfect, clear skys, claim wind and the object engages ECM on the target and a large number of people directly involed say its more then a duck is not what I would call scientific or in the realms of logic and reason.Because pre-supposing to the Nth bloody degree that some lens flare, a duck and a balloon are absolutely evidence of aliens, secret government technology or whatever (with zero evidence), is highly scientific and well within the realms of logic and reason.
I see no problem with this approach
We also have the Congress people from the recent briefing confirming they have seen some of the classified evidence at the briefing. The same evidence you lied about pretended was never submitted. The briefing confirmed ECM was used and radar plus other systems knocked offline not only in the old event but other newer events as well. There was another event from Eglen Air Force Base where the same type of orb object used ECM and took down the jet systems. In this case the high resolution data + photo was shown to Congressmen Matt Gaetz who asked to see any of the evidence that had been taken by flight crew in this endeavour and to observe any radar signature, as well as speak directly to the pilots. Its not a duck or balloon or any of the other nonsense you like to pretend.
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