piledriver - Official AMD FX4300,FX6300 and FX8350 review thread

humbug · 24 Oct 2012 at 19:47

ubersonic said:
The test may be skewed but the results are still valid, the retail i5 3570K is the same price as the FX8350 and under gaming conditions will perform within 5% of the 3770K (The extra cache is pretty unimportant and HT does nothing but add heat while gaming).

What this test does highlight is that for gaming the is 0 point buying the FX8350 over the 3570K.

For gaming yes, but the are people who do more with their system than game.

So let me get this straight.

They are right to use the 3770K because the 3770K is no faster in gaming than the 3570K? so it makes no difference.

Chrisoldinho · 24 Oct 2012 at 19:53

I have just learnt that the Sabertooth 990FX rev 1 does not have support for the 8350

humbug · 24 Oct 2012 at 19:57

Chrisoldinho said:
I have just learnt that the Sabertooth 990FX rev 1 does not have support for the 8350

Thats what ASUS started out telling People.

They have now changed that line to "new BIOS coming soon for Rev-1"

They tried to push for new MOBO sales, the thing is a lot of the reviews were done on Rev-1 Asus Motherboard :rolleyes:

Incidentaly 1503 came out a couple of days ago for the Sabertooth, i'm running it now.

eddyr · 24 Oct 2012 at 20:01

Martini1991 said:
In the comments I do believe they say they'll do an i5.

Now that will make their data interesting. Hopefully they will combine it with the i7 results.

mmj_uk · 24 Oct 2012 at 20:03

The way I see it all of the CPU's have their place in the market:

If gaming is a priority = 2500K/3570K - £160
If encoding is a priority = FX8350 - £160
If you want the best of both worlds = 2700K/3770K - £260

humbug · 24 Oct 2012 at 20:49

eddyr said:
Now that will make their data interesting. Hopefully they will combine it with the i7 results.

And hopefully at resolutions that people actually play.

No one plays at 1280 x 720 outside of an xBox-360 or a tablet.

Martini1991 · 24 Oct 2012 at 20:50

humbug said:
And hopefully at resolutions that people actually play.

No one plays at 1280 x 720 out side of an xBox360 or a tablet.

You'd be surprised.
We're not the norm.

humbug · 24 Oct 2012 at 20:52

Martini1991 said:
You'd be surprised.
We're not the norm.

I don't think those people spend £250 on a GPU and £180 on a CPU.

They are more likely to opt from something like an APU.

Martini1991 · 24 Oct 2012 at 20:57

They're more likely to be the ones buying any old thing, not going out of their way and buying logically like an APU.

wolvers · 24 Oct 2012 at 21:05

humbug said:
I don't think those people spend £250 on a GPU and £180 on a CPU.

They are more likely to opt from something like an APU.

You mean £600-800 on gpus and £150 or £230 on a CPU.

It amazes me sometimes that these review sites do articles like this. It must be just sensationalism to get hits because it's just so biased. They're rightly getting hammered in the comments.

kitch9 · 24 Oct 2012 at 21:13

Chrisoldinho said:
I appreciate the skewed benchmark before I post the review as this is a 3770K compared to an 8350 when gaming under crossfire, over 100 fps is pretty irrelevant anyway unless your using a 120Hz monitor, but as a CF 7950 Eyefinity user at 5960x1080 the extra FPS the 3770k brings seems quite high.

http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-fx-...8ghz--multi-gpu-gaming-performance/17494.html

Why are we comparing a 250 quid chip with a 150 quid chip again?

kitch9 · 24 Oct 2012 at 21:15

humbug said:
So let me get this straight.

They are right to use the 3770K because the 3770K is no faster in gaming than the 3570K? so it makes no difference.

Yup, he definitely tugged on that string...

Martini1991 · 24 Oct 2012 at 21:43

kitch9 said:
Yup, he definitely tugged on that string...

Which isn't wrong.

They're doing an i5 set of results, so that'll be better price versus price.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 24 Oct 2012 at 22:13

I was looking through the reviews,to see how much an FX8350 system would consume over a Core i5 or Core i7 system with a gaming load,not a stress test,rendering or video encoding test.

I only found two reviews:

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/2055/13/

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/46985-amd-fx-8350-piledriver-cpu/?page=6

The difference seems around 40W at the wall looking at the figures. The first review uses an HD7970 and BF3 and the second a GTX680 and Batman:Arkham City.

Beren · 24 Oct 2012 at 22:24

The Reviwers are all using the top end X79 MB for intel vs comparable 990 AMD boards.
On current pricing on say a UD3 that means there is a 60 quid difference between an i5 3570 setup and an 8350 setup.

Which is the difference between putting a 7850 or a 7950 GPU in.

So which would give better performance in gaming - an 8350 paired with a 7950 on a 990fx UD3 board, or an i53570k with an x79 UD3 board and a 7850?

For someone like me who will be gaming at 1080p and looking for a mid/high end machine rather than a super PC that makes AMD look like a very serious option now.

-edit- Oops... just realised I was comparing stupid options... a 2011 chipset isn't going to work an i5...

It would still stand if comparing an 8350 with an i7... but that does not apply to me...

Hagar · 24 Oct 2012 at 22:35

I've bought some patriot 2133 ram to get the memory controller working and enable a boost to the bus clock. Only need this processor to arrive now.

humbug · 24 Oct 2012 at 23:11

nkata said:
I've bought some patriot 2133 ram to get the memory controller working and enable a boost to the bus clock. Only need this processor to arrive now.

You bought one? please let us know what you think of it

humbug · 24 Oct 2012 at 23:39

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I was looking through the reviews,to see how much an FX8350 system would consume over a Core i5 or Core i7 system with a gaming load,not a stress test,rendering or video encoding test.

I only found two reviews:

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/2055/13/

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/46985-amd-fx-8350-piledriver-cpu/?page=6

The difference seems around 40W at the wall looking at the figures. The first review uses an HD7970 and BF3 and the second a GTX680 and Batman:Arkham City.

First Legit Reviews in the games they used (Which are all mainstream games) the FX-8350 was on a parr with the i7 3770K.

In fact the only thing that made the 3770K really standout was SupperPi and HiperPI, which it would anyway given that AMD do not support the x87 instruction sets those apps use, at all, the results are purely emulated.

Hexus is more interesting, again the games they used don't show the Intel particularly much better but a little worse that Legit reviews on the same games, But one game is particularly interesting.

Dirt Showdown, which i have, and have benched. according to Hexus my 1090T is 5% slower than the 2500K.
I benched 101 FPS (Avg) on that with my 1090T @ 4.1Ghz and 7870 as you see it clocked in my signature. LtMatt benched 20% higher than me on a 7970 running at the same clock and on a 2500K running at 4.7Ghz.
LtMatt did that bench on 12.9 Drivers which are 10% slower than the 12.8 drivers i used.
That gives him 30% over me on 2500K @ 4.7Ghz and a 7970 @ 1200 / 1700, vs my x6 1090T @ 4.1Ghz and 7870 @ 1200 / 1500. The performance between his and my CPU is identical in that game.

I call Hexus result there horse manure, whether intentional or not, its utterly wrong and strongly suspect the FX-8350 result they put up is just as wrong.

Martini1991 · 24 Oct 2012 at 23:47

Hexus results are whack, I've benched at those settings a lot higher than what they're getting with both a Phenom II and 2500k in AVP.
Bet they're running Vsync.

humbug · 24 Oct 2012 at 23:53

Martini1991 said:
Hexus results are whack, I've benched at those settings a lot higher than what they're getting with both a Phenom II and 2500k in AVP.
Bet they're running Vsync.

I don't know what settings they use, but i got 81 with the default bench tool setting, i'm pretty sure i get in the low 60's even on the highest settings.

That post i keep linking to, this is why it exists, to many of these reviews look suspect in all directions Red / Green / Blue... it just seems to be who ever is the highest bidder