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Platypus' Beginners Guide to Running

Discussion in 'Sports Arena' started by platypus, Mar 26, 2007.

  1. D.P.

    Caporegime

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    Your loss if you want to ignore 60 years of sports science
     
  2. iMacMart

    Capodecina

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    Point taken!
     
  3. Marvt74

    Capodecina

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    Snow has curtailed my running this week. Got up this morning but it’s really icy under the snow so not worth the risk.

    Might have to go for gym treadmill run tomorrow if it doesn’t clear up.
     
  4. Ian_Eb

    Hitman

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    I know what you mean. Looked out and decided that watching telly might be a better bet :)
     
  5. Marvt74

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    I managed one junction on the motorway before turning round and coming to work from home because people are idiots and a little snow makes them crash!

    Looks like a few people were out albeit later on when it wasn’t pitch black like it would’ve been for me. Maybe with being at home i'll duck out for 30 mins
     
  6. The Darkness

    Hitman

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    To try to get a longer run in mid week I've been getting the train in and then running home one day a week (10-12 miles). Been doing it for 2 weeks, today will be the third, but a bit worried about the ice today. Should get some yack-trax I guess.
     
  7. #Chri5#

    Soldato

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    Yaxtrak Pro - they are ace on snow / ice

    https://www.yaktrax.co.uk/product/yaktrax-pro/
     
  8. Blackvault

    Mobster

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    Went to my review appointment for the broken elbow and they didn't seem that fussed on whether I ran or not. So off for a run, tomorrow, better get ready with all those kudos on Strava :)
     
  9. Yucca

    Wise Guy

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    Hi all

    Other than the obvious - distance, speed and heart rate what would you say is the next most important stat thats useful for running?

    Further to my watch thread https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...ng-me-out-please-help.18844951/#post-32476915 I'm trying to work out if all the additional statistics that are available via HRM-Run provides are really required or not.

    If the following are important then I have no choice but to go for the forerunner as the vivo does not offer connectivity to HRM-Run:

    • Cadence — number of steps per minute
    • Vertical oscillation — degree of ‘bounce’ in your running motion; displays the vertical motion of your torso, measured in centimeters for each step
    • Ground contact time — amount of time in each step that you spend on the ground while running; measured in milliseconds
    • Ground contact time balance — displays the left/right balance of your ground contact time while running (displays a percentage); for example, 53.2 with an arrow pointing left or right
    • Stride length — length of your stride from 1 footfall to the next; measured in meters
    • Vertical ratio — ratio of vertical oscillation to stride length (displays a percentage); a lower number typically indicates better running form

    I assume both watches offer cadence without the HRM-Run strap anyway. Are any of the others above really needed?!
     
  10. Marvt74

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    Great news.

    I've not been out since Sunday. Feels like ages!
     
  11. The Darkness

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    Cadence is the only one I used, and only for a few months while I focused on increasing it. Now I don't use any of them.
     
  12. D.P.

    Caporegime

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    Cadence is the only useful metric that can be trained, has an impact on performance, and can predict injury risk. Even then, it is not critical and if you have a good cadence then you can basically ignore it. I was worried my cadence was low so got a foothold, turns out I'm bang on 180 when running on the flat so now totally ignore it.

    The other values have some relevance to performance but you can't really train them. A lower vertical oscillation is more efficient for example, but nothing much you can do to lower this explicitly. Instead, as always, the more you run the more efficient you get and the better these values will be.

    Run a high volume of easy miles and all these other metrics will improve slowly.
     
    Last edited: Feb 2, 2019
  13. Yucca

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    Thank you of your detailed reply as always D.P :)

    Further to what you have said am I right in saying there is no need for me to consider buying a watch which will support the HRM-Run strap then seen as all the extra data is not useful?

    I assume D.P that you would say any watch which supports a strap for Heart Rate only is sufficient?
     
  14. D.P.

    Caporegime

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    yeah, any watch that can use a chest strap for HR is sufficient.
    None of the optical HR watches work well when exercising, they are useful for measuring resting HR though.
     
  15. jsmoke

    Soldato

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    Can someone recommend a pair of running trainers, decent ones.
     
  16. semi-pro waster

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    Possibly worth bearing in mind that most organized races don't allow you to wear normal headphones now, they often allow the bone conducting earphones but not standard ones or at least not officially. I still see lots of people wearing normal headphones and nothing seems to be said but there is at least a theoretical risk the organisers might disqualify you from the race.

    Not really no, I can tell you what type of trainers I wear but that's not much use for you as you'll have a different running action and different biomechanics. The best thing to do is to go to your local running shop, preferably one that offers gait analysis, and get them to recommend you some options and try on several to find the trainer(s) that work best for you.
     
  17. Marvt74

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    According to the Manchester Marathon website it suggests they’re ok with headphones providing your not “racing” by which I take that to be someone hoping to be well placed for a prize.
    Not someone who’s just happy to finish!

    Not sure I could complete it without some form of distraction!
     
  18. semi-pro waster

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    Fair enough, I suspect you'll probably be fine. I've just taken a look at the info on music and the organisers say it's strongly discouraged but as there's nothing about disqualifications for headphones I think you'll be ok. And at least you're not suggesting being the person who has their music on loudspeaker and forces everyone else to listen to it... :)
     
  19. Marvt74

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    I’d never subject anyone to the kind of music I listen to :p
     
  20. Marvt74

    Capodecina

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    Just been out for my first run since I did 14 last Sunday.

    My knee has felt a bit weak and with the ice and snow I decided to not risk it.

    Felt ok. Only a short run but was good to be back out. Feels like it’s been ages!