Poll: Poll: Prime Minister Theresa May calls General Election on June 8th

[Avenged7Fold]

The sun gets its money by appealing to the wider audience. They are not brain-dead zombies but i also believe that regular newspaper readers build up media loyalty and trust with their paper of choice because lets face it; who reads a paper they don't believe or dont want to believe in every day?

Of course if the Sun pushes something too much outside their audience tolerance, then they risk losing that credibility/loyalty/trust among readers, at the same time though pushing something at the extreme end of their tolerance will lend some of the suns 'credibility' to it.

This is how it works for all news media. The sad thing is that the Sun matches this countries wider audience and therefore these people also have some level of trust in the Sun.

Many of you are making this seem like a one way thing: scorza thinks that the Sun is in touch with voters, while others feel that it dictates to them. In reality it is both, with varying balance. Some agendas will be worth pushing to the edge of the readers tolerances and some are worth catering to the reader for the sake of building up trust/loyalty




To the few people on here that say 'read all papers and take it with a pinch of salt bec im not biased *smugface*'. You are not their normal audience and let's face it, you dont read all these papers every day.

 

[mid_gen]

Hmm so the Conservatives aren't committing to cutting immigration at all....and they certainly aren't costing it.

 

[Greebo]

I think you're stretching it a bit - it isn't exactly a one way relationship, a populist newspaper like the sun would potentially lose rather a lot of readers if they simply decided overnight to completely change their stance and embrace the green party

this idea that they're all leading the braindead masses is pretty dubious - they can influence, sure - but only to an extent. In some way they also follow the public mood

Rubbish. Yes the paper clearly relates to its readerships beliefs but then enforces it and prints lies so when that paper is their readers only source of news, thats what they believe. One single newspaper with big enough readership can easily decide who wins the election in this country.

 

[chroniclard]

Do people still buy papers? Readership of the actual physical rag is pretty low?

 

[Greebo]

Do people still buy papers? Readership of the actual physical rag is pretty low?

Well if they dont buy the paper, they just read the online version. Isn't the Daily Mail website the most read media website in the world or something?

 

[dalehitchy1]

Do people still buy papers? Readership of the actual physical rag is pretty low?

Only takes a number of people who read the sun to tell his mate down the pub or on facebook what xxx party does. That news.... Even if fake... Will spread like wildfire... And then you have a large percentage of the country believing that story

 

[chroniclard]

Basically we come back to the Brexit argument, most people are idiots?

 

[Freakbro]

Hmm so the Conservatives aren't committing to cutting immigration at all....and they certainly aren't costing it.

To anyone who is thinking of voting Tory you should watch that, just to see the amount of lies and spin you are being sold.

It's "The Labour Manifesto is just uncosted fantasies that will add billions to the national debt, whereas we will spend billions on everything!" ...."Is yours costed?"...."Errr...No"

 

[mid_gen]

Well if they dont buy the paper, they just read the online version. Isn't the Daily Mail website the most read media website in the world or something?

The Mail figured out that not only are the people who buy their paper not interested in thinking for themselves, but they are easily enticed into swallowing their propaganda by adding a sidebar full of ****.

 

[Combat squirrel]

Theresa May Wants To Regulate The Internet

"The Conservative manifesto sets out a distinct vision for the future of the internet in which an anarchic world run by private companies is supplemented by substantial government intervention."

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterso...e-the-internet?utm_term=.brGbQqb8W#.re9lyGlD8

Should be interesting to see this on this forum, given this is a bizarre pro tory forum of tech lovers.

 

[dalehitchy1]

Basically we come back to the Brexit argument, most people are idiots?

Not once did I mention they were idiots. Let me put it this way....

If the sun completely ignored the bad things the EU did over the last 5 years and blamed anything bad with the country on the tories....and then printed the headline "remain" Do you think the EU referendum would have gone the same way being such a close vote?

 

[dowie]

Rubbish. Yes the paper clearly relates to its readerships beliefs but then enforces it and prints lies so when that paper is their readers only source of news, thats what they believe. One single newspaper with big enough readership can easily decide who wins the election in this country.

right - so the Sun could chose to support communism and suddenly the UK would become a communist state?

they're a populist paper, they can influence but there are limits... someone looking at the fact they've picked winners and then claiming that they're therefore some sort of king maker is missing that point a bit

 

[JohnnyG]

Theresa May Wants To Regulate The Internet

No She Doesn't

 

[Greebo]

right - so the Sun could chose to support communism and suddenly the UK would become a communist state?

they're a populist paper, they can influence but there are limits... someone looking at the fact they've picked winners and then claiming that they're therefore some sort of king maker is missing that point a bit

No they can influence and steer, enough to swing an election. Lets say you have 10 million readers. You could easily steer 2 million of them one way or the other between the two main parties. 2 million votes is enough to swing a lot of seats when its closely balanced.

 

[dowie]

No the can influence and steer, enough to swing an election. Lets say you have 10 million readers. You could easily steer 2 million of them one way or the other between the two main parties. 2 million votes is enough to swing a lot of seats when its closely balanced.

What exactly are you claiming is 'rubbish'?

 

[Greebo]

No She Doesn't

Well her manifesto certainly specifically regulates certain parts of the internet.

 

[Combat squirrel]

No She Doesn't

Yeah she does, it says so, in her manifesto

 

[Greebo]

What exactly are you claiming is 'rubbish'?

The claim that a paper with a large readership cant influence the vote enough to swing an election.

 

[dowie]

The claim that a paper with a large readership cant influence the vote enough to swing an election.

That claim wasn't made though... if they can influence then they can certainly tip the balance in favour of winning. There are limits to that influence though and it isn't a one way relationship. Perhaps you should read more carefully before exclaiming ' Rubbish'. Especially when the post you quoted clearly states that they can influence! (as can all papers to some extent)

 

[Greebo]

That claim wasn't made though... if they can influence then they can certainly tip the balance in favour of winning. There are limits to that influence though and it isn't a one way relationship. Perhaps you should read more carefully before exclaiming ' Rubbish'. Especially when the post you quoted clearly states that they can influence! (as can all papers to some extent)

Except that you poo poo'd the idea that they could be a king maker. Since we have a two party system in the uk and a lot of elections are finely balanced, they certainly can and probably have been king maker in quite a few elections.

But I do agree, they couldnt just pick a party like the Communist party and get them elected. It has to be somebody already in with a chance of winning.