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[scorza]

Nope, it doesn't, but it's still just a random policy, just from the other party. Talking of car crash did you see the Boris Johnston interview where he said the £350m to the NHS was in the Tory manifesto? What page is it on?
Surprised it hasn't been mentioned more.

Page 66 says £8bn to the NHS.

 

[Uther]

Page 66 says £8bn to the NHS.

Sorry my maths are off, does that equal £350m a week?

 

[dowie]

Sorry my maths are off, does that equal £350m a week?

since when was that claim a Tory party policy?

 

[VincentHanna]

Page 66 says £8bn to the NHS.

Maths not your strong point Scorza?

 

[hurfdurf]

nah he dodges it then gives an answer about condemning all bombing... yet this rather contradicts his direct support, solidarity and advocacy on behalf of those who actively took part in that bombing

he was happy to stand on stage at a rally next to a man who was wanted for the murder of a British Army officer and the UK was still trying to extradite, he was happy to rally and protest on behalf of a gang that murdered civilians at random in London and other parts of the UK through bombing and shooting attacks

he'll be very happy to quite directly criticise the UK's bombing of Syria, no dodging of the question there and some vague disapproval of 'all bombing' but direct criticism... yet when asked 5 times to condiment the IRA's bombing, quite a valid question given his past support of the group, he deflects

You are reaching. It is genuinely pathetic that you would attempt to belittle a mans condemnation of bombing, a man who worked to put and end to the bombing and foster peace, whilst you did what exactly? Your bluster isn't impressing anyone, it is the sad lamentation of a long impotent man.

It would seem you have one view based on his actions, but other people do it and its fine?

'A bit more worrying' lol. That Conservative was ACTUALLY in the IRA!

That is how bent out of shape these people are by Jeremy. He talked to them to foster peace, but actually they themselves who sought to harm civilians, nah free pass.

 

[dowie]

You are reaching. It is genuinely pathetic that you would attempt to belittle a mans condemnation of bombing, a man who worked to put and end to the bombing and foster peace, whilst you did what exactly? Your bluster isn't impressing anyone, it is the sad lamentation of a long impotent man.
It would seem you have one view based on his actions, but other people do it and its fine?

Ironically that is reaching! The Queen meeting Martin McGuiness after the peace process... how is that in any way showing support or sympathy towards the IRA?

He actively supported a terrorist group that killed British citizens at random - you're really unable to reason very well if you think that the Queen meeting Martin McGuiness is in any way comparable... Yes on an overly simplistic level you can present the Queen meeting an IRA man like someone could present Corbyn meeting an IRA man... it is an utterly pointless post devoid of any thought or reasonable argument.

 

[VincentHanna]

"Actively supported", ha! Next thing we'll hear that Corbyn was planting bombs in pubs.

Nobody seemed to care about the Barclay Brothers owning the Telegraph earlier. Here's a bit more on those wonderful conservative media barons

In 1993, the Barclay brothers bought the tenement of the island of Brecqhou, a small sister island of Sark, one of theChannel Islands. Their mock-Gothic castle on Brecqhou, designed by Quinlan Terry, features 3-foot (0.91 m) granite walls, battlements, two swimming pools and a helicopter pad. Since their purchase of the tenement of Brecqhou, the Barclays have been in several legal disputes with the government of Sark

In 2002, the brothers claimed their property tax was too high, particularly since they maintained Brecqhou's paths and dock. Fearing more litigation, Sark officials cut the Barclays' tax rate.

On 11 December 2008, the Barclay brothers were in the news for pulling out their investments (which included hotels) from the island of Sark, causing 170 staff to be made redundant, after local voters did not support candidates championed by the Barclay brothers. The brothers had previously warned that if the voters chose to bring back the 'establishment' Sark leaders that are still aligned with the feudal lord then they would pull out of Sark.

On 28 March 2012, BBC Radio 4 dedicated part of its Today programme to analysis of the Barclay brothers' role in Sark.[34] It reported that the islanders were protesting against bullying and intimidation by representatives of the Barclays after a story in their local paper had prompted the only doctor to leave the island. The doctor had used a boat rather than the Barclays' helicopter to transport a patient who was having a seizure to hospital on Guernsey, which was reported in the Barclays' paper as negligent. Despite support from the patient's family and the local BMA, the doctor left Sark after the story, leaving the island without a doctor.

But yeah, listen to some Billionaire tax exiles.

 

[dowie]

That is how bent out of shape these people are by Jeremy. He talked to them to foster peace, but actually they themselves who sought to harm civilians, nah free pass.

If all he did was that then we wouldn't be criticism him in the first place - he actively campaigned along side them, actively protested in support of them. Those activities had little to do with simply talking to them to foster peace. Mo Mowlam talked to them to foster peace, Tony Blair talked to them to foster peace... you won't see the same criticism thrown at them.

"Actively supported", ha! Next thing we'll hear that Corbyn was planting bombs in pubs.

Yes, actively supported - I don't know why people are trying to deny this, it is well documented:

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/...rite-the-history-of-his-support-for-the-ira/#

It cannot be said too often that there is nothing intrinsically objectionable about supporting the idea of a united Ireland. But if you did – or still do – support that goal you had a choice. You could ally yourself with the SDLP or you could chum around with Sinn Fein and the IRA. The choice mattered because it was a choice between decency and indecency, between constitutional politics and paramilitary politics. Corbyn, like his Shadow Chancellor, made his choice and chose indecently.

There is no room for doubt about this and no place for after-the-fact reinterpretations of Corbyn’s ‘role’ in the Irish peace process. That role was limited to being a cheerleader for and enabler of the Republican movement. No-one who was seriously interested in peace in the 1980s spoke at Troops Out rallies. The best that could be said of those people was that they wanted ‘peace’ on the IRA’s terms. In other words, they wanted the IRA to win.

Had the IRA, pace Corbyn, ‘started from that position rather than trying to get a military solution we might have saved a lot of lives‘. But they didn’t start from that position and their enablers on the British far-left gave them no encouragement to do so. On the contrary, in fact. At the very best, you might say that the far-left regretted terrorist atrocities while thinking them ‘understandable’. But you should never mistake that regret for condemnation and you should always remember that the people responsible for the shootings and the bombings were not, indeed could never be, the people doing the shooting and the bombing.

As late as 1998 John McDonnell opposed the peace process, telling An Phoblacht that “An assembly is not what people have laid down their lives for over thirty years. We want peace, but the settlement must be just and the settlement must be for an agreed and united Ireland.”

Fifteen years previously, Corbyn was a member of the board of Labour Briefing, a fringe magazine for diehard leftists that unequivocally supported the IRA’s bombing campaign. Corbyn organised the magazine’s mailing-list and was a regular speaker at its events. In December 1984, the magazine“reaffirmed its support for, and solidarity with, the Irish republican movement” noting that its“overwhelming priority as active members of the British labour movement is to fight for and secure an unconditional British withdrawal”. Only “an unconditional British withdrawal, including the disarming of the RUC and UDR, will allow for peace in Ireland. Labour briefing stands for peace, but we are not pacifists”. Moreover, “It certainly appears to be the case that the British only sit up and take notice when they are bombed into it”. That being so, discussions with the SDLP and the Irish government were, at best, a distraction. Only Sinn Fein and the IRA spoke for Ireland. Labour Briefing explicitly opposed the SDLP, preferring instead to endorse the republican terrorist campaign.

that is why he dodges the question when asked directly to condiment he IRA yet he'll happily directly condemn say UK action in Syria without squirming around the subject

 

[jimjamuk]

"Actively supported", ha! Next thing we'll hear that Corbyn was planting bombs in pubs.

Nobody seemed to care about the Barclay Brothers owning the Telegraph earlier. Here's a bit more on those wonderful conservative media barons



But yeah, listen to some Billionaire tax exiles.

Personally I couldn't give a toss about some rich folk, has always been the same throughout history and will remain so - this IRA lot and their supporters though went round killing people.......

 

[Greebo]

since when was that claim a Tory party policy?

since Boris went on TV and said the £350m a week from the Eu is going to the NHS in the manifesto. You mean to say it isn't?

 

[dowie]

since Boris went on TV and said the £350m a week from the Eu is going to the NHS in the manifesto. You mean to say it isn't?

can you be clear about what you're referring to please? Do you not mean Boris making a mistake and referring to the 8 billion Scorza referred to? Or are you talking about a promise he's made in advance of the manifesto?

 

[VincentHanna]

Personally I couldn't give a toss about some rich folk *Snip*

Don't vote conservative then

 

[jimjamuk]

since Boris went on TV and said the £350m a week from the Eu is going to the NHS in the manifesto. You mean to say it isn't?

I'll be surprised if he did so am not going to say he didn't

linky please

 

[Azza]

I'll be surprised if he did so am not going to say he didn't

linky please

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/866256195769831424

Extraordinary - Boris Johnson wrongly claims £350m NHS promise is in manifesto

 

[Tunney]

I'll be surprised if he did so am not going to say he didn't

linky please

Here you go.

Yesterday on ITV, Boris Johnson said that it was in the Conservative manifesto that the NHS would be getting an extra £350 million a week.

 

[dowie]

Here you go.

Yesterday on ITV, Boris Johnson said that it was in the Conservative manifesto that the NHS would be getting an extra £350 million a week.

so it isn't a Tory party policy....

 

[jimjamuk]

Here you go.

Yesterday on ITV, Boris Johnson said that it was in the Conservative manifesto that the NHS would be getting an extra £350 million a week.

He certainly did - I expect Ms May will be handing out the slaps this morning....

 

[Azza]

So front page of the FT is about senior tories not being in the loop about dementia tax. That's like a Trump-esque thing to do.


edit----->


hahaa if you Google dementia tax there is an ad by the Conservative Party.

 

[Tunney]

so it isn't a Tory party policy....

Exactly, it's not. Boris Johnson knows less about his own party's manifesto than we do. Either that or he's willingfully misleading voters.

 

[scorza]

Why are we surprised that Corbyn won't condemn the IRA? The NUS, who one imagines have a great deal of overlap with Corbyn's Momentum movement, won't even condemn the Islamic State.