Poll: Poll: Prime Minister Theresa May calls General Election on June 8th

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Tunney said:
Exactly, it's not. Boris Johnson knows less about his own party's manifesto than we do. Either that or he's willingfully misleading voters.
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exactly, that is my point - it is Boris making a **** up on TV... (much like most of the Labour shadow cabinet)
 
dowie said:
so it isn't a Tory party policy....
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People can't even say "Ignore the blustering buffoon" now - He's Secretary of State!

scorza said:
Why are we surprised that Corbyn won't condemn the IRA? The NUS, who one imagines have a great deal of overlap with Corbyn's Momentum movement, won't even condemn the Islamic State.
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Specifically, on the claims that I refused to condemn Isis: two years ago I delayed a National Executive Council motion condemning Isis – but that was because of its wording, not because of its intent. Its language appeared to condemn all Muslims, not just the terror group. Once it was worded correctly I proposed and wholly supported the motion.
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https://www.theguardian.com/comment...us-president-not-antisemitic-isis-sympathiser
 
Tunney said:
He literally condemned the IRA on TV just yesterday.
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in what context? Last time he was asked 5 times to condemn the IRA's violence he continually deflected... he was happy to help run a publication that continually supported their armed campaign

Tunney said:
Jeremy Corbyn has always sought a peaceful solution in Northern Ireland.
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LOL bull****...

to quote further from the previously linked article re: the assassination attempt on Thatcher in an IRA bombing... the publication he was a director of and closely aligned with wasn't too keen to condemn it - quite the opposite in fact.

This was published a few weeks after the Brighton bombing. A bombing designed to assassinate the British Prime Minister. As far as Labour Briefing was concerned, the Prime Minister was a legitimate target. Condemning the bombing showed that the Labour party had lost its ‘political nerve’. The Corbynite left, however, was made of sterner stuff. As Labour Briefing had previously written: “We refuse to parrot the ritual condemnation of ‘violence’ because we insist on placing responsibility where it lies…. Let our ‘Iron Lady’ know this: those who live by the sword shall die by it. If she wants violence, then violence she will certainly get.”

Jeremy Corbyn didn’t help bring peace to Northern Ireland, he helped delay it by enabling those who bore primary responsibility for the violence. Now he and his supporters wish to rewrite history, the better to pretend Corbyn was somehow ‘ahead of the curve’. He was no such thing. His vision of peace did not advocate compromise and dialogue. If it had he might have spent more – or some – time speaking with Unionists and other parties with whose analysis he disagreed. But his vision did not do this and so he did not ‘engage’ with anyone in this fashion. No amount of whitewash can cover up this stain upon his record, his worldview and his judgement.

This is the man Labour chose to lead their party. That is their choice, of course, but the rest of us are entitled to make choices too. Not the least of which is choosing to insist that what happened in the past really did happen.
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If you're going to talk about Labour politicians working towards a peaceful solution then, as pointed out, Mo Mowlam is one example - she was instrumental in bringing about the good Friday agreement. Corbyn on the other hand actively supported a group that only delayed peace and killed many people in the process.
 
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Tunney said:
We're going around in circle here. He clearly said that he condemned IRA bombings.
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No, you made a claim, I asked you about it - and you've now dodged the question. You could perhaps instead clarify by citing what you're referring to.

In the past he's typically deflected and condemned 'all bombings' or something along those lines when asked specifically if he condemned the IRA. On the other hand he's quite happy to be pretty specific about say the UK bombing ISIS in Syria. His actions in support of the group speak louder than words tbh.. you're seemingly wilfully ignoring the previous evidence of his support for them too.

Also good to see our potential future head of the security services had this to say:


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...d-support-for-ira-defeat-of-britain-rp79dvvmk
Diane Abbott explicitly backed victory for the IRA in an interview with a pro-republican journal, The Sunday Times has found.

Abbott, who will become home secretary if Labour wins the election, said in the 1984 interview that Ireland “is our struggle — every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us. A defeat in Northern Ireland would be a defeat indeed.”

The interview was found during research by The Sunday Times in Irish and republican archives.

The same files disclose that the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, personally led or took part in at least 72 separate events or actions with Sinn Fein and pro-republican groups during the years of the IRA’s armed struggle — far more than previously known.
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Abbot, Corbyn and McDonnell come from the far left of the Labour Party and have always been IRA sympathisers
 
Corbyn has some bad qualities.... But why are his clearly pointed out on front page media publications......

Yet you get nothing about may who

Wants fox hunting back
Wants to steal your house once you die
Wants to control what you see and type on the internet
Didn't control none EU immigration as home secretary we she could have
Put Boris Johnson in her team
Has borrowed more than any other party
Has been in power for the past 12 years but now the 'anti establishment party' fighting against the liberal elite who havnt been in power for 12 years (if you count Blair as liberal)
 
frankly unbelievable how people can support this man - I think any sensible labour supporter who really is opposed to the Tories ought to seriously consider voting for the Liberal Democrats instead of voting Labour when they've literally got the loony left in charge of the party... there is good reason why so many Labour MPs have no confidence in this man:

 
Tories are doing a cracking job of reverting to their unpleasant ways with all these hatchet jobs against Corbyn. The more you do it, the less this charade of being 'the party of the people vs the political elite' slips away.

Glad to see people are seeing through it and the polls are swinging Labour's way.
 
To the people who are happily supporting the Conservatives with their dementia tax manifesto.

How many of you have children who would be the beneficiaries of your estate? I know Scorza doesn't, for instance.
dalehitchy1 said:
Corbyn has some bad qualities.... But why are his clearly pointed out on front page media publications......

Yet you get nothing about may who

Wants fox hunting back
Wants to steal your house once you die
Wants to control what you see and type on the internet
Didn't control none EU immigration as home secretary we she could have
Put Boris Johnson in her team
Has borrowed more than any other party
Has been in power for the past 12 years but now the 'anti establishment party' fighting against the liberal elite who havnt been in power for 12 years (if you count Blair as liberal)
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Good points, but they haven't been in power for 12 years...
 
VincentHanna said:
To the people who are happily supporting the Conservatives with their dementia tax manifesto.

How many of you have children who would be the beneficiaries of your estate? I know Scorza doesn't, for instance.
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Surely the more relevant question is how many of you are potential beneficiaries of an estate... I am for both parents and an aunt all of whom exceed the 100k threshold.
 
dowie said:
No, you made a claim, I asked you about it - and you've now dodged the question. You could perhaps instead clarify by citing what you're referring to.
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I'm referring to yesterday's Sky interview which we've already talked about in this thread.

He said: "I condemn all the bombing by both the Loyalists and the IRA."
 
mid_gen said:
Tories are doing a cracking job of reverting to their unpleasant ways with all these hatchet jobs against Corbyn.
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Hatchet jobs based on things he's actually done! It is hardly just the right wing press, his own MPs don't have much confidence in him - they tried to oust him, various of them resigned from shadow cabinet positions... these are people who ought to be on side with him, people who have worked directly with him not just some right wing journalists with an agenda.
 
dowie said:
Surely the more relevant question is how many of you are potential beneficiaries of an estate... I am for both parents and an aunt all of whom exceed the 100k threshold.
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The question is the question.

Do you have kids, yes or no?

I and my 2 sisters would stand to inherit our parents house, but they are in their mid 60's and I would hope they have many more years in them....so the conservative policy wouldn't immediately affect me, no.
 
Tunney said:
I'm referring to yesterday's Sky interview which we've already talked about in this thread.

He said: "I condemn all the bombing by both the Loyalists and the IRA."
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He simply can't bring himself to give a straight answer on it though at least he's progressed somewhat from where he gave a vague 'all bombing' answer... still his previous actions are in stark contrast to that

VincentHanna said:
The question is the question.

Do you have kids, yes or no?

I and my 2 sisters would stand to inherit our parents house, but they are in their mid 60's and I would hope they have many more years in them....so the conservative policy wouldn't immediately affect me, no.
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No - why is that even relevant? I'll quite likely have kids in future, this policy will still affect me indirectly in that sense. Though as I pointed out already the people it stands to directly affect are the beneficiaries of an estate - you don't lose your home as a result of this while you're alive. I'm already one of those future beneficiaries and I'm in support of the policy.
 
dowie said:
Hatchet jobs based on things he's actually done! It is hardly just the right wing press, his own MPs don't have much confidence in him - they tried to oust him, various of them resigned from shadow cabinet positions... these are people who ought to be on side with him, people who have worked directly with him not just some right wing journalists with an agenda.
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Whether its true if he's done things.... Why do the media clearly point them out and yet not Theresas flaw.

Considering immigration is a huge topic in this country why has it not been put to the public clearly on front page news that the she let in millions of none EU immigrants when she could have turned them away.

Why has it not been put front page on the sun telegraph in daily mail how awful it is to work your whole life to pay off a mortgage only for it now to be ripped from you should you need social care.

Instead we get 'fair.... But tough' love headlines instead with the tories.

There is an agenda. Corbyns flaws are front page news. Mays flaws arnt written about. Hardly a fair starting point.
 
dalehitchy1 said:
Whether its true if he's done things.... Why do the media clearly point them out and yet not Theresas flaw.
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'the media' isn't some homogenous entity - there is plenty of criticism of May in the press... have you read the Indy, the Guardian, the mirror, the Huffington post UK etc..?

though the two leaders are not exactly equivalent here - there is good reason for Corbyn receiving so much criticism as pointed out already - even the Guardian, a left leaning, publication isn't exactly fond of him. This isn't just some conspiracy... that other opposition leader, Tim Farron, doesn't catch much flack - I mean he had the whole 'oh he's christian maybe he's a homophobe' thing not so long ago then he issued a clear statement in support of gay marriage after being criticised for not answering.
 
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