Poll: Poll: UK General Election 2017 - Mk II

Who will you vote for?


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You know as well as I do, that even if tax was the same % for all (say 30%), the (very) wealthy would end up paying less.

The wealthy have the means to employ accountants, and the drive to use every loophole in the book.

How fair would it be, again assuming 30% tax for all, if a bloke the average wage of £25k-ish ended up paying more tax than a person earning £500k?

Frankly that's the biggest issue here as far as I'm concerned. It almost doesn't matter what the rate is for people earning above £80k. They will simply arrange their finances, as they always do, to avoid every single penny of that. You can bet that suddenly people earning £149,999.99 a year will now mystically earn £79,999.99 a year instead.

It's entirely unfair to buy into a them and us mentality like this post (or the one it is responding to).
Just as there are many people on benefits trying pretty damn hard to do better for themselves, there are billionaires who go out of their way to pay representative taxes such as the Rowling's and Dyson's of the UK.

The point of a reasonable increase in tax at the top end isn't to punish people, it is to say, this is what the people of the UK deem fair.

After that Avoidance or Evasion may happen, both can have consequences, a Labour government with Corbyn are likely to use the tax office more wisely than the conservatives and no doubt fund it better. At the very high end, it is very possible to make information on avoidance (particularly) more widely available than the one negotiation at a time approach of the Conservatives.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-34836582/jeremy-corbyn-opposes-shoot-to-kill-policy
Jeremy Corbyn opposes shoot-to-kill policy in the event of a terror attack in the UK.

Are you looking to become the News editor at the BBC, perhaps you could also face (and lose) in a ruling that you entirely misrepresented the position of Corbyn and then just carry on in your Job as NEWS ****** editor of our nationally funded news agency during an election!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...rg-misrepresented-jeremy-corbyn-a7533096.html
 
My personal opinion is a shoot to kill policy is foolish. Our armed police response units are highly trained and on balance will be supported on the actions they choose even in tragic/questionable circumstance such as Charles de Menezes a blanket policy or rule doesn't even respect their capabilities to make very difficult decisions, under unbelievably difficult circumstances, which have generally proven exemplary!
 

Well this is horrific, who'd of thought Amber Rudd would enjoy Chinese levels of political discourse.

Right before a particular event as well, very unfortunate.
 

Well this is horrific, who'd of thought Amber Rudd would enjoy Chinese levels of political discourse.

Right before a particular event as well, very unfortunate.

This is getting plastered all over facebook right now. Amber Rudd messed up BADLY. If she just let it be, the speech wouldn't have reached much of an audience anyway. Now it's getting the full-on Streisand effect. What a disaster.
 
thanks for that. Well after 7 years of austerity and slashing public services to the bone let's try a different approach.

Cant say the budget is slashed to the bone when its still in deficit. Every year more debt is required to prop up current spending, that is a problem eventually and far worse 'austerity' can occur then current policies. Maths > politics, nobodys ego can change that the government has to run a surplus whether its liked or not

The problem is as always with labour voters, they actually think by taxing businesses and the 1% more, they are going to be better off for it. Utter nonsense and rubbish, nothing will change for them. If Corbyn gets in, im willing to bet any Labour voter cant say they are any better off in 5 years time.
Its been known for decades that higher tax percentages can reduce the overall tax revenue, nobody wins. But we still got to find out for sure and try it one more time apparently.
 
Perhaps if 13 years of Labout government hadn't run up quite so much debt in the first place we wouldn't have to have had to try to cut back quite so much. Even funnier is that's exactly what Labour are planning to do again and people lap it up if they think there's something in it for them. I wonder how many Corbyn supporters there would be if he kept the same policies and said he'd increase basic rate tax to 30% to pay for them? Hmmm...
 
This is getting plastered all over facebook right now. Amber Rudd messed up BADLY. If she just let it be, the speech wouldn't have reached much of an audience anyway. Now it's getting the full-on Streisand effect. What a disaster.

Disgusting - but if people think simply voting for Labour is going to change any of that they are sorely mistaken.
 
Rudd is a rather odious individual. That deserves to go viral.

Why because some crazy guy claims the Saudi Government funds ISIS, while providing no evidence, the reality of course being ISIS will have private donors in Saudi Arabi that the Saudi government has taken steps to crack down on, and because BAe systems sells weapons to the Saudis that some how means our government is supporting ISIS. And in this interview Amber Rudd just sat there, so some how she's odious. Honestly what complete drivel
 
Why because some crazy guy claims the Saudi Government funds ISIS, while providing no evidence, the reality of course being ISIS will have private donors in Saudi Arabi that the Saudi government has taken steps to crack down on, and because BAe systems sells weapons to the Saudis that some how means our government is supporting ISIS. And in this interview Amber Rudd just sat there, so some how she's odious. Honestly what complete drivel

If that's the case then they should release the publicly funded report into it then, if there's nothing wrong, then there's nothing to hide surely?
 
Why because some crazy guy claims the Saudi Government funds ISIS, while providing no evidence, the reality of course being ISIS will have private donors in Saudi Arabi that the Saudi government has taken steps to crack down on, and because BAe systems sells weapons to the Saudis that some how means our government is supporting ISIS. And in this interview Amber Rudd just sat there, so some how she's odious. Honestly what complete drivel

She doesn't just sit there - she writes a note and hands it to the adjudicator. Sure the guy seems a touch crazy but within reason it should be simple enough to debate the points and show he is wrong if it is the case though it was starting to go a bit outside the scope of the event.
 
She doesn't just sit there - she writes a note and hands it to the adjudicator. Sure the guy seems a touch crazy but within reason it should be simple enough to debate the points and show he is wrong if it is the case though it was starting to go a bit outside the scope of the event.

Exactly, it wasn't what they were there to discuss, he was just trying to score political points and criticise the government. There are plenty of people he can go to if he has a genuine story, I'm sure The Guardian and The Independent would lap it up
 
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