Poll: Poll: UK General Election 2017 - Mk II

Who will you vote for?

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Lartyconshayo said:
Corporation tax will be set at 26% not 28% for the large organisations. Small business will be set at 21%. Have you even read the manifesto ? So your big problem 'It needs to be staggered' is in fact addressed.

This is my concern is that people will be voting on hearsay and rote learned media opinions rather than actual research.
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Fair point but I read enough to make my decision, as I hinted at, there;s nothing at all about LB that floats my boat. And I didn't say it was my biggest problem? Just at a higher level I know the LB party is not for me, that was one of my points and I never listed ALL of my points in my message. Zero hour contracts is another point for example I dsagree on.
The biggest issue with LB is they're just not ready to lead our country at this moment especially with Brexit on the horizon whatever is in their manifesto or comes out of Corbyn's gob IMO. It's daft to think otherwise IMO. If anyone looks at the bigger picture, what's best for our country at this moment for the longer term, I fail to see how anyone who does not think about just their own selfish situation can think that's the labour party
 
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Jono8 said:
A fair point, but then you have to call in to question why said leader keeps making the wrong decision...
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i suppose youd have to look at every issue they deal with and start workin g out what % of decisions they get wrong.

then look at if it was predictably wrong so thier liability etc

and come to a conclusion to if they get an acceptable amount right to you.

while looking for somone who does comparitivly beter
 
norm said:
Any terrorist attack reflects badly on TM and the conservatives policies of cut,cut,cut. Less police increases likelihood of this kind of thing happening.

Little wonder they want the election called off, cons face losing.
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It isn't really that straightforwards - while I'm opposed to police cuts we're talking about an area of Central London that isn't exactly short on police on a Saturday night also counter terrorism funding has increased. It isn't really a situation where cuts have made much difference.


On the other hand that lets not forget a few decades ago when another group of terrorists carried out random attacks killing civilians in pubs, hotels etc.. through London and were finally caught... who turned up to protest at the trial and get himself arrested in the process - Jeremy Corbyn.

As much as people are happy to disregard this issue, not look at the details and just brush it away with some nonsense revisionist line that he was merely trying to establish dialogue etc.. fact is we've got a man standing for election that actively supported people carrying out these sorts of terror attacks not so long ago.

What would people think today if a Labour politician did the same thing - suppose the various people arrested re: the Manchester bombing are put on trial... if a Labour MP decided to protest such a trial along with some extremist/Islamist campaign group would you be happy with that? Would you pass it off at merely establishing dialogue?
 
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Ayahuasca said:
Labour vote on here has dropped over 1% since question time, think May did a better job and has turned things around a little.
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Which is strange, because one of the polls that puts Labour within one point was done just after QT...
As the polls seem to be between 1 and 12 points difference anything could happen IMO.
 
Just had my local tory MP send me this propaganda email.

- Plan for Land Value Tax will hit families by trebling Council Tax bills.
- Destructive tax will send house prices plummeting and plunge mortgage holders into negative equity ·
- Garden Tax will force families to sell off back yards, paving over England’s greenery ·
- Farmers warn huge new £6 billion Countryside Tax will send food prices soaring
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Amazing how they have the audastiy to write this dribble and media have been allowed to get away with this sort of nonsense. The manifesto didn't mention any of this yet it's "news".

From what I have understood its just something they "will look into" and its following other successful European models such as Denmark which will seek to reduce the amount of property moguls from hoarding empty investment properties. And the value would only be the land, not the house.

I really do loathe the media.
 
Dolph said:
Because they are already available via the OBR reports?
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So you are saying everything in the Conservative Manifesto can be costed via the OBR reports?

If so it would have been better for the Conservative party to make that statement themselves, or indeed to have taken Labour's request to have both Manifesto's independently reviewed regarding costings, neither of which happened which makes your posting here on the subject look totally disingenuous!
 
Hiijinx said:
Just had my local tory MP send me this propaganda email.



Amazing how they have the audastiy to write this dribble and media have been allowed to get away with this sort of nonsense. The manifesto didn't mention any of this yet it's "news".

From what I have understood its just something they "will look into" and its following other successful European models such as Denmark which will seek to reduce the amount of property moguls from hoarding empty investment properties. And the value would only be the land, not the house.

I really do loathe the media.
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A lot of the independent thinktanks/bodies that I rely on for analysis are in complete support for the LVT. My only concern is what happens when you've got someone who is asset rich and cash poor? e.g. a pensioner who simply got lucky and lives in an area of London that got gentrified? These people might get forced out of their homes? They might be edge cases for all I know but it seems unfair. I don't understand whats wrong with a local income tax.
 
Dolph said:
Wrong quote, sorry.
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No problem an easy mistake I have no doubt made myself in the past.

Still feel free to comment back about the point that historically and around the globe, investing and greater public spending have (done well) allowed countries to climb out of recessions and debt in the past and that (as many have here) simply insisting that inward investment automatically leads to increased debt goes against historical fact and is often based on "ASDA shopping bill" levels of economic thinking!
 
Dolph said:
How is continually taking a greater proportion of an individual's property based on financial success not a punishment for that financial success?
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You know as well as I do, that even if tax was the same % for all (say 30%), the (very) wealthy would end up paying less.

The wealthy have the means to employ accountants, and the drive to use every loophole in the book.

How fair would it be, again assuming 30% tax for all, if a bloke the average wage of £25k-ish ended up paying more tax than a person earning £500k?

Frankly that's the biggest issue here as far as I'm concerned. It almost doesn't matter what the rate is for people earning above £80k. They will simply arrange their finances, as they always do, to avoid every single penny of that. You can bet that suddenly people earning £149,999.99 a year will now mystically earn £79,999.99 a year instead.
 
FoxEye said:
You know as well as I do, that even if tax was the same % for all (say 30%), the (very) wealthy would end up paying less.

The wealthy have the means to employ accountants, and the drive to use every loophole in the book.

How fair would it be, again assuming 30% tax for all, if a bloke the average wage of £25k-ish ended up paying more tax than a person earning £500k?

Frankly that's the biggest issue here as far as I'm concerned. It almost doesn't matter what the rate is for people earning above £80k. They will simply arrange their finances, as they always do, to avoid every single penny of that. You can bet that suddenly people earning £149,999.99 a year will now mystically earn £79,999.99 a year instead.
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Soooo much jealousy... You seem very bitter at anyone who has managed to do well with their life. Let's start with damming those rich GPs, they should be punished!
 
Hiijinx said:
Just had my local tory MP send me this propaganda email.



Amazing how they have the audastiy to write this dribble and media have been allowed to get away with this sort of nonsense. The manifesto didn't mention any of this yet it's "news".

From what I have understood its just something they "will look into" and its following other successful European models such as Denmark which will seek to reduce the amount of property moguls from hoarding empty investment properties. And the value would only be the land, not the house.

I really do loathe the media.
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#FakeNews
 
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