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Poll: Poll: UK General Election 2017 - Mk II
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Soldato
Do you mean the Saudi Royal family and have you read the unreleased report???
The willingness to enact a nuclear holocaust is something only Trump would boast about, and his leadership has been a damp squib so far, not something we should choose to emulate here.
The UK needs a PM to tackle the real issues facing this country.
I really hope one day you come to understand the doctrine and the difference between Trump and someone who takes a strong defensive posture.
Caporegime
China, France, Russia, US, India, Israel, Pakistan all armed and no reason now or in the future to 'go full war' on the UK.
Iran & NK have bigger grudges against other countries closer to home to think about.
There is no deterrent offered by nukes because if a country went to that stage of 'full war' then they wouldn't care about any consequences. Any rouge nation to go 'full war' with the UK would just end up being wiped out by the UK and it's allies with conventional weapons even if the UK was attacked with a nuclear weapon in the first place.
Nuclear deterrent is not just about deterring a nuclear exchange.
Caporegime
I didn't mean just nuclear exchange, any type of military engagement that results in total war between nations.
Whole point is it works as an effective deterrent for things not getting that far - the relative peace and security we've enjoyed post ww2 didn't come from a sudden change in human nature.
Soldato
No sure if serious.....
Without the deterrent other nuclear armed countries can hold us at gunpoint, that's why we have it. They can go "do this or else" and we would have nothing to make them back off.
With the position the UK has in the world, we can't get rid of them now unless everyone else does. Do people really think e.g. Russia will stop aiming nukes at us if we got rid of ours? Nope, they would be more willing to press the button. Just like us backing off from fighting ISIS isn't going to stop them attacking.
With the position the UK has in the world, we can't get rid of them now unless everyone else does. Do people really think e.g. Russia will stop aiming nukes at us if we got rid of ours? Nope, they would be more willing to press the button. Just like us backing off from fighting ISIS isn't going to stop them attacking.
Personally I honestly don't think that in the current global political, etc. climate of the world and the most likely path that will take it would make much difference if we had nukes or not - however it would be naive and foolhardy to think that the geopolitical landscape we have today will last indefinitely, that we can reactively develop defensive capabilities overnight in response to a changing world or that the UK's status and legacy in the world doesn't require a level of defensive capability different to many other nations.
One thing people ignore is that for instance the US is susceptible to a number of potentially catastrophic natural disasters - while the chances are slim if there was an event with one of the faultlines at the top end of the possible scale, Yellowstone went full out or one of the possible wildfire scenarios amongst other possibilities engulfed the US they would have their hands full domestically dealing with it and be forced to withdraw from world affairs - out nuclear deterrent would likely mean that in the resultant global readjustment of power we could continue with the way of life we enjoy, without it all bets are off the table. A slim possibility but one that very much could happen.
Soldato
Jezza speech on terror attack.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-speech-live-watch-10560047
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-speech-live-watch-10560047
Well done you've just described the bank of England's original function.
It was a group of land owners businessmen etc who lent money to the crown to find their shenanigans.
It was Nationalised by labor in 1946 along with everything else they could lay their hands on.
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Corbyn is 100% correct, May has been wholly at the helm as home secretary then prime minister for a substantive period (7 years now). Regressive cuts to policing are not the way forward.
Even Piers Morgan in the Mail is putting the boot in:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4571186/May-cut-police-numbers-paying-price.html
Dunno, go and find a quote I guess.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4571186/May-cut-police-numbers-paying-price.html
Dunno, go and find a quote I guess.
Soldato
We will not get rid of our nuclear weapons any time soon the Ukraine is an object lesson in why if you have them you should keep them just in case. We will scale back and restructure which is appropriate we only need a minimum of missiles and subs to maintain a credible deterrent and I don't think any significant party has disagreed with this? Jeremy says he would never press the button but it's just posturing like all politicians, it allows him to appear different to the iron witch that is currently PM who talks a hardline on everything from terrorism to the freedoms enjoyed by honest law abiding citizens!
Very dangerous posturing - he is better saying nothing at all than a statement that decreases the effectiveness of the deterrent and its main value is in being a deterrent. If it ever comes to actually using the thing the whole lots has failed.
Soldato
Don't really see how police cuts can be called an issue when last night it took a mere 8 minutes from a 999 call to see three terrorists eliminated that is impressive stuff.
All the public services need cuts and restructuring we have two much duplication the number of police forces in the uk is bonkers for example. We currently have three separate air forces!
I can't stand the Tory government but saying the police, fire, ambulance and armed forces don't need restructuring is mad!
That is in London, What about other places that have been affected by the cuts?
Don't get me wrong that was really impressive from our Force. But lets not just focus on London.
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