Poll: Poll: UK General Election 2017 - Mk II

Who will you vote for?

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FoxEye said:
Calling the election wasn't the mistake. Plenty of commentators saying it was a good move.

The mistake was, let's be frank, the entire Tory campaign. They have snatched defeat (probably) from the jaws of decisive and overwhelming victory.
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I think the mistake was they didn't anticipate how much pull Corbyn would have employing guarded words designed to appeal to people that want to believe what he is saying.
 
McBain said:
Can't disagree on the campaign mistakes, their entire campaign has been a train wreck. They've gone from absolutely cleaning up to struggling, May will surely have to walk come Thursday if they get less seats than 2015?
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I'm not sure. If May walks after the election you have the whole problem of "no mandate" - not that I agree with that position (I don't, you elect the party not the PM).

And if TM does walk... I shudder at the thought of Boris or IDS for PM....

If that happens the queues at Heathrow and Gatwick will be epic ;)
 
All she had to do was call an election and then say nothing. Easy 20 point lead. Problem is every time a Tory mp opens their gob most people think WTF!
 
I still think the Tories will end up with a significant majority. Polling always seems to underestimate their support.
 
Rroff said:
I think the mistake was they didn't anticipate how much pull Corbyn would have employing guarded words designed to appeal to people that want to believe what he is saying.
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Lols. If the only mistake you can see in the Tory campaign... was something Corbyn said... hah, no.

TM has been awful. Just awful.

And having billed this as a presidential style "May vs Corbyn" election, as well. Before essentially ducking out of the limelight altogether.

It's been a string of mistakes.
 
dowie said:
oh come on - I ask a question three times and each time you deflect...
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What will Corbyn do differently? He will not be the proven failure that is in office now. That is good enough for me. Voting for the same thing over and over expecting a different result and all that...

Do you think Theresa May's time as Home Sec and PM has been a success when it comes to ensuring the safety and security of the UK?
 
Uther said:
All she had to do was call an election and then say nothing. Easy 20 point lead. Problem is every time a Tory mp opens their gob most people think WTF!
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Kind of funny how every time they open their mouth they show themselves to be utterly out of touch with the electorate... yet still people generally can't see the need for a complete sweeping change :|

FoxEye said:
Lols. If the only mistake you can see in the Tory campaign... was something Corbyn said... hah, no.

TM has been awful. Just awful.

And having billed this as a presidential style "May vs Corbyn" election, as well. Before essentially ducking out of the limelight altogether.

It's been a string of mistakes.
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How has anything in my posting history on these threads given you any idea I might think that?
 
Rilot said:
I still think the Tories will end up with a significant majority. Polling always seems to underestimate their support.
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I'm not sure polling gets it *that* wrong... could well end up with a small majority which would have made the whole exercise a bit of a farce in the end
 
mid_gen said:
What will Corbyn do differently? He will not be the proven failure that is in office now. That is good enough for me. Voting for the same thing over and over expecting a different result and all that...

Do you think Theresa May's time as Home Sec and PM has been a success when it comes to ensuring the safety and security of the UK?
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This is just a non-answer... main issue is that the rather specific criticism you put towards TM certainly has no real alternative
 
mid_gen said:
There is no real alternative to Theresa May's failure to defend our country? We should just roll over and accept it?
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Not something I've advocated.. but like I highlighted before your rather specific statement doesn't appear to be improved any more by Corbyn... thus your inability to answer/defend it and continued deflection over several posts now.

Not really much point in carrying on with this as I think we both know by now the original point was nonsense.
 
dowie said:
Not something I've advocated.. but like I highlighted before your rather specific statement doesn't appear to be improved any more by Corbyn... thus your inability to answer/defend it and continued deflection over several posts now
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Corbyn has stated what politicians have been too scared to admit for the past two decades...that our foreign policy may be contributing factor to radicalism. That alone puts him ahead of May in terms of offering actual change from the objectively failing policies we have been pursuing up until now.
 
mid_gen said:
Corbyn has stated what politicians have been too scared to admit for the past two decades...that our foreign policy may be contributing factor to radicalism. That alone puts him ahead of May in terms of offering actual change from the objectively failing policies we have been pursuing up until now.
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again deflecting - your comment had nothing to do with foreign policy... you're now going round in circles as you brought up foreign policy a few posts back too
 
dowie said:
I'm not sure polling gets it *that* wrong... could well end up with a small majority which would have made the whole exercise a bit of a farce in the end
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It rather depends on whose polling you're looking at. Unlike 2015 where the predictions of the pollsters were fairly uniform, this time there are massive differences. The Survation and YouGov polls giving narrow leads have got a lot of attention because they're striking but ICM and ComRes are still showing double digit Tory leads. They can't both be right.

I hope, of course, that YouGov/Survation turn out to have tweaked their methodology in the best way and we see see May throw away the Tory majority but I can't actually see any reason to believe that the methodological changes made by ICM/ComRes are less likely to be valid than those made by YouGov or Survation. The natural tendency is to assume that the true value is somewhere in the middle but that's equally unjustified. The truth is that, even more than usual, polling this election gives us little reason to be confident about the result.
 
mid_gen said:
Corbyn has stated what politicians have been too scared to admit for the past two decades...that our foreign policy may be contributing factor to radicalism. That alone puts him ahead of May in terms of offering actual change from the objectively failing policies we have been pursuing up until now.
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Problem Corbyn has always had opinions like that and will continue to have them when they are both wrong and right - he is going to be right some of the time but that doesn't make him right all of the time on that kind of subject or mean that he will do anything better - a subtle distinction people really need to put more thought into rather than just be swayed by what they want to see (hear).
 
Calpol said:
She's definitely on the ropes but I suspect there is still a "guilt" factor influencing this polling data. ie people don't wan't to admit to voting Conservative.
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I think that can go both ways too though, I will be voting SNP in Scotland but if I was in England I'd be voting Corbyn, the sheer mention of me saying that I think Corbyn would be a good choice gets people's back's up, there's possibly a lot of people who aren't willing to admit they're voting for a "socialist" especially as we've been told since 1983 that it would be a car crash for this country.

Do think the Tories will get a (narrow) majority though.
 
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