thats why it makes no sense. if they are willingly voting SNP knowing they are in a sense to Scotland what UKIP were to the everywhere else i.e a 1 policy party, why do the same electorate then go on an SNP bashing spree. It seems perverse to the point of being self punishing ?
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thats why it makes no sense. if they are willingly voting SNP knowing they are in a sense to Scotland what UKIP were to the everywhere else i.e a 1 policy party, why do the same electorate then go on an SNP bashing spree. It seems perverse to the point of being self punishing ?
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She was spotted looking well at Oxford Circus Tube at 08:40 this morning, just before she cancelled her radio interview at 09:00.
More "ABORT!"....than Abbot lol
Only just caught up with this thread. Big labour turnaround on here! I think that is quite reflective of what is happening in the real world, although I'm surprised the difference is so marked on here as this forum has always been a very Conservative/UKIP biased place. It's great to have such a contrast to the usual Facebook echo chamber. I still think that the Conservatives will win the election, but there won't be a majority. I think we're in for a hung parliament whichever way the vote goes.
I'm very nervous as to what might happen if the Conservatives do maintain their majority for the next 5 years. A 2 tier healthcare system is a real possibility under a conservative majority - so much has already been sold off in the last 5 years and that was with the Lib Dems tempering the Tories.
I've never voted anything other than Conservative before (my local Labour MP was Gisela Stuart, so that was a definite no!), but with a new Labour candidate and being a public sector worker I don't think I've really got any other option than a Labour vote currently.
I'm very nervous as to what might happen if the Conservatives do maintain their majority for the next 5 years. A 2 tier healthcare system is a real possibility under a conservative majority - so much has already been sold off in the last 5 years and that was with the Lib Dems tempering the Tories.
I've never voted anything other than Conservative before (my local Labour MP was Gisela Stuart, so that was a definite no!), but with a new Labour candidate and being a public sector worker I don't think I've really got any other option than a Labour vote currently.
They do OK, the real reason is they are the only real alternative to the Tories until recently with the rise of Corbyn. I could name a dozen friends that most likely voted SNP but definitely voted No to independence.
Will you get a pay rise under Labour?
... and she appeared again on Sky News just recently for another car crash interview. That sort of arrogance to me indicates that she's not the sort of person who will ever admit that they've got something wrong, and that is very worrying for a potential Home Secretary.
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But Labour outsourced more services to the private sector than the Tories have...
I woudln't count this forums poll - people have said they would vote Tory and have been rambling on with anti-labour rhetoric but then you see in the poll here that they clicked labour. They are worried that labour might actually win and so are trying to help motivate Tory voters to go out and poll.
Definitely worth re-posting:
http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/...the-biggest-borrowers-over-the-last-70-years/
I expect Labour's spending plans to completely collapse. My first point is on their expected tax receipts. The IFS estimate that they won't get anywhere near raising what they want. Thats the first point, the second problem I have is that the IFS are assuming advanced growth under Labour due to their infrastructure spending, but I don't think this will materialise, simply because if you take Crossrail as an example, this was a project that was given the OK in 2007, began construction 2 years later in 2009 and is expected to be completed in December 2018. So that is a total of 10 years from start to completion. The Labour manifesto is full of Crossrail like projects. (Cross rail 2, new Brighton mainline, HS2 extended to Scotland etc) It takes decades for these projects to bear fruits. Thats not to say I don't want to see these projects not undertake. To the contrary, I absolutely do 100%. I just think that the evidence is overwhelming that by the end of Labours first term the public finances wont be in a great shape and taxes will go up (OK, thats fine) or the infrastructure projects get cancelled.
It doesn't really pay comment on economic incompetence though as it doesn't really deal with deficits at all. If one party leaves a large deficit then the following party is obviously going to borrow more and pay back less.
NB I haven't done the research as to who ran up the largest deficits, just making an observation on taking numbers at face value.
D.P. - all polls are to be taken with a pinch of salt as we learned from the last election! OcUK usually gives a bit of balance to my more liberal social media feeds. Also, the OcUK members aren't usually for turning!
Trusty - As far as the pay rise question goes, I'm not sure I'll get a pay rise under Labour, but if the NHS turns into a two tier system as per the Conservatives I might well be employed by a private company and I'll definitely get a pay rise! It's a real double edged sword, but the NHS must be preserved at all costs. The population is totally unprepared for any sort of paid for healthcare and it'll be a car crash.
Thompson_NCL - PFI was and remains a terrible waste of money. We have at least got new buildings out of it though. The major turning point of the health and social care bill is the sale of healthcare services rather than private funding of facilities. Once healthcare services are profit driven efficiency might increase in a business sense, but quality of care is likely to suffer - profit is unlikely to be reinvested in the system and will be diverted to shareholders. Our services are being sold currently to the likes of Virgin which aren't healthcare charities like Kaiser Permanente in the US.
Trusty - As far as the pay rise question goes, I'm not sure I'll get a pay rise under Labour, but if the NHS turns into a two tier system as per the Conservatives I might well be employed by a private company and I'll definitely get a pay rise! It's a real double edged sword, but the NHS must be preserved at all costs. The population is totally unprepared for any sort of paid for healthcare and it'll be a car crash.
Thompson_NCL - PFI was and remains a terrible waste of money. We have at least got new buildings out of it though. The major turning point of the health and social care bill is the sale of healthcare services rather than private funding of facilities. Once healthcare services are profit driven efficiency might increase in a business sense, but quality of care is likely to suffer - profit is unlikely to be reinvested in the system and will be diverted to shareholders. Our services are being sold currently to the likes of Virgin which aren't healthcare charities like Kaiser Permanente in the US.
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This is because government spending and revenue is not real time
What happens is Labour come in when the economy is doing okay, loan a lot of money to pay for the votes they buy, the economy starts to tank and they lose an election. Conservatives come back in, have to borrow money whilst making cuts to restore economic credibility. After a few years fiscally responsible government, we're now back in a position where the voters decide they want to buy into Labour lies again. The cycle begins anew!Thats cos Labour spend all the reserves, then when the Cons get in they need to bail the country out by borrowing more ?
Not bothered. Im only voting Labour as tactical against May and her cronies.
The economics of running a country aren't as simple as paying off a personal loan or mortgage or even taking out a new loan - all the economic rhetoric is terribly over simplified. Modern countries economies are intertwined in a very complex fashion and it would take a very large event such as leaving the EU for national debts to be re-payed on a large scale.
Balancing the books is important, but as I'm sure you've all seen from the election campaigns figures can be interpreted in many different ways to suit the individual party's aim.
Balancing the books is important, but as I'm sure you've all seen from the election campaigns figures can be interpreted in many different ways to suit the individual party's aim.
I really do think the Tories will win but with less than 50. I look forward to your name change when they dont win more than 50- Status