Poll: Poll: UK General Election 2017 - Mk II

[CREATIVE!11]

It really depresses me that the media peddle these lies and the agenda and the vast majority of the population lap it up, I swear people should not just have a right to vote and there should be some form of competence test to obtain a vote.

The media are out in force shilling for the tories too, simply because Jezza threatens corporate interests.

 

[Greebo]

push it the other way, competence in the field to be in parliament. rather than commissioning reports(that they then ignore), the scientists and other experts should be the ones in power and voting should be for things that fall outside of known quantities.

AGreed. Which to some degree is why I think the House of Lords full of experts has its place to keep a check on politicians doing something they dont understand.

 

[FuriousGeorge]

I know everyone is thinking about the bigger picture here, but I'm listening to LBC and a lot of people on there, and here, want change from voting Corbyn. However, in my town there are 4 private schools (Radley, Abingdon Boys, St Helen's, OLA) and my mother-in-law works in one of them. She says, the number of children signed up for moving from junior to senior school is the lowest its ever been due to fear over the VAT on school fee's (6 have signed up, usually 20 by now). So if, say, 50% drop out if Labour get in due to not being able to afford the fee's, will having and additional 2 school's worth of pupils to educate help the children already in local state schools? Will this policy not hurt the education of our children? So why should people in my town vote Labour?

Why should private schools be exempt from VAT in the first place?

 

[francky]

Nice little link to see what party lines with your views:

https://uk.isidewith.com/political-quiz

Im 63% conservative, so will be voting for them as usual, although there are a lot of things I'm not happy about and don't particularly like May......the thought of a socialist Labour party with Corbyn at the helm in charge of the country genuinely scares me.

 

[Greebo]

Why should private schools be exempt from VAT in the first place?

This. I have never understood why as a business making profit they should be exempt from charging VAT except for the fact it removes the VAT to be paid by the wealthy.

My ex boss is up in arms about this as it will mean he will have an extra £24k per annum to pay for his children's fees on top of the £120k he pays now (ignoring the fact that its paid for out of a tax free trust set up by his mother)

 

[GizF1]

shes talking about the main human rights atc, which is most of them, `



once we have left the eu, fairly easy if she has a majority. These things are very hard to reverse once implemented. let alone the other rights she has already expressed interest in tearing up. Tories have allready messed up workers rights a fair bit, just think what will happen once we leave the safety of the uk.

no she doesnt need to have an opinion on everything, but she should absolutely have a opinion on what happened, again that was a direct attack on democracy and pulled out of the nazi hand book, this is actually what the nazis did. Unsurprisingly she didn't, why because she was already trying to get rid of democracy which is why she went to court in the first place, even though it was always going to fail.

I don't understand how its easy for Tories to change human rights laws how they'd like them to be but not easy for someone else to change them again later?

You'll have to let me know what they have done to workers rights i've done a bit of googling and a lot of the recent stuff looks like good ideas to me)

Didn't the government go to court to defend the uk leaving the eu so maintaining democracy?

 

[Greebo]

I don't understand how its easy for Tories to change human rights laws how they'd like them to be but not easy for someone else to change them again later?

You'll have to let me know what they have done to workers rights i've done a bit of googling and a lot of the recent stuff looks like good ideas to me)

Didn't the government go to court to defend the uk leaving the eu so maintaining democracy?

Its always easier to vote a law out and remove it than reach agreement on a new law going into place is why.

As for workers rights its what she says she will do once we leave the EU.

Removal of the right to tribunals for employees, no minimum wage and no maternity leave for small businesses. Removal of the 48 hour working week. They are just a few off the top of my head.

And you only need to look back at their track history of fighting every EU improvement in workers rights.

 

[Glaucus]

I don't understand how its easy for Tories to change human rights laws how they'd like them to be but not easy for someone else to change them again later?

You'll have to let me know what they have done to workers rights i've done a bit of googling and a lot of the recent stuff looks like good ideas to me)

Didn't the government go to court to defend the uk leaving the eu so maintaining democracy?

it just is, removing such authoritarian laws is never easy, and adding human rights back in is always a monumental task that hardly ever happens.

for a start work tribunals are no longer free, meaning companies can do what they want as long as they think you don't have enough money to pay the fees.

no T went to court to undermine democracy and turn it into a dictatorship, if she had won she could have then passed what ever laws she wnated without parliament interfering in her plans.

no one you seem so blasie you don't seem to know anything of this, human rights, workers rights etc. just causally voting to throw so much away.

 

[Ayahuasca]

Nice little link to see what party lines with your views:

https://uk.isidewith.com/political-quiz

Im 63% conservative, so will be voting for them as usual, although there are a lot of things I'm not happy about and don't particularly like May......the thought of a socialist Labour party with Corbyn at the helm in charge of the country genuinely scares me.

Decent link for anyone clueless about voting but I don't think it should be the be all and end all of your choice answering 15 questions or something.

My results:

 

[Caracus2k]

So the internet crackdown, removal of human rights and gutting of all public services including the police don't worry you at all?

not as much as a Marxist as chancellor, an 'ex' communist communications lead and a prime minster who would do away with our key military treaties and systems before we even get started on his dodgy acquaintances and past voting record... ala labour. Look at Venezuela for guidance on what happens to Marxist lead countries who run out of other people cash to bribe the electorate....

i despise the Tories (May in particular) but we really are stuck with bad or even worse this time round

 

[h4rm0ny]

Why should private schools be exempt from VAT in the first place?

For the same reason VAT is not applied to food (other than "luxury" items). Because education is a fundamental and basic necessity of our society. It's not trade, it's our future.

 

[Greebo]

86%Liberal Democrat
Healthcare • Economic • Science • Immigration • Domestic Policy • Education • Foreign Policy • Environmental • Social • Electoral • Transportation • National SecurityVote for
80%Labour
Healthcare • Immigration • Foreign Policy • Economic • Science • Domestic Policy • Education • Social • Environmental • Electoral • TransportationVote for
75%Green
Economic • Foreign Policy • Immigration • Domestic Policy • Education • Environmental • Electoral • Social • Transportation • Criminal • National SecurityVote for
51%Conservative
Education • Science • Immigration • Environmental • SocialVote for
47%UKIP
Science • Immigration • Education • Environmental • Social • Electoral • TransportationVote for


Hmm not what i expected. Did think I would come out liberal but thought I would be more Tory than Labour. Although perhaps compared with the current Tory beliefs Im not which makes sense.

 

[francky]

Decent link for anyone clueless about voting but I don't think it should be the be all and end all of your choice answering 15 questions or something.

Oh of course, its just good to see how your views align...not a tool as such to tell you how to vote.

 

[Greebo]

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For the same reason VAT is not applied to food (other than "luxury" items). Because education is a fundamental and basic necessity of our society. It's not trade, it's our future.

f its not a trade then we are private companies running them at a profit?

 

[Zatoichi.uK]

How accurate do you guys think sites like political compass and isidewith are? I thought my views werein general right of centre these days but have come out with Labour on each survey.

 

[Robbo]

Nice little link to see what party lines with your views:

https://uk.isidewith.com/political-quiz

Im 63% conservative, so will be voting for them as usual, although there are a lot of things I'm not happy about and don't particularly like May......the thought of a socialist Labour party with Corbyn at the helm in charge of the country genuinely scares me.

86% Conservative I certainly wouldn't go quite that far.

Agree with your post too.

 

[Ayahuasca]

How accurate do you guys think sites like political compass and isidewith are? I thought my views werein general right of centre these days but have come out with Labour on each survey.

Somewhat accurate if your vote is based on major policies across the board, there's still a lot of things missing from their questioning though.

 

[Glaucus]

How accurate do you guys think sites like political compass and isidewith are? I thought my views werein general right of centre these days but have come out with Labour on each survey.

pretty accurate as they go by the manifestos nearly no one is as tory as they think, they are far to authoritarian and far to right these days.
Gone are the sensible days where the parties where middle of the road.

 

[Uther]

How accurate do you guys think sites like political compass and isidewith are? I thought my views werein general right of centre these days but have come out with Labour on each survey.

I don't think much to them TBH.

 

[Greebo]

How accurate do you guys think sites like political compass and isidewith are? I thought my views werein general right of centre these days but have come out with Labour on each survey.

Problem is the Tories have so far right, very few people would match up with them. Okay Scorza will come out 100% but you get my drift..

I used to be pretty central, slightly right Tory but that isnt on offer by the Tory party now.

Hell, I got called all kinds of names in the Pensions thread for wanting to decrease pensions and raise retirement age.