Polygamy.

Muban · 22 Jan 2007 at 23:32

Psyk said:
But if say 3 people all want to marry each other, what difference will it make to you? Why not allow it?

Becuase it's not really as simple as that. We have enough problems with forced marraiges in this country, arranged is fine if everyone is consenting - the problem is where the line is crossed. In terms of polygamy I think the lines would be even worse to distinguish.

ElRazur · 22 Jan 2007 at 23:34

Muban said:
Although I am completely against it how would it work? ?

The ones i know of works this way - The man marries a wife and if he becomes rich or influential, he might get more than one and the society he lives in might recognise his contribution by giving him a young woman to marry.

Other ways is just for the the man to marry all wives at different times.

All from what i see back home.

PS
Im trying to find info about americans who practise this too.

Gilly · 22 Jan 2007 at 23:37

ElRazur said:
The ones i know of works this way - The man marries a wife and if he becomes rich or influential, he might get more than one and the society he lives in might recognise his contribution by giving him a young woman to marry.

So the young woman is a prize to be given away?

And you think this a good thing?

You're wrong. We don't need your outmoded social practices here

And some Americans join cult religious sects and commit mass-suicides. Doesn't mean its a good idea.

Psyk · 22 Jan 2007 at 23:38

Muban said:
Becuase it's not really as simple as that. We have enough problems with forced marraiges in this country, arranged is fine if everyone is consenting - the problem is where the line is crossed. In terms of polygamy I think the lines would be even worse to distinguish.

That makes sense. So you wouldn't have a problem if it's what all 3 people honestly wanted, the problem is that it could be too easily abused. A fair enough view point I think.

Tbh I don't really think it should be legalised, just because it's not worth the hassle just for the sake of very few people that would be interested. I'm sure people interested in those sort of relationships can make do without being officially married.

If there were a significant amount of people that wanted it, then I might think differently. But I really can't see that ever happening. It would be more likely that people would abandon the idea of marriage completely.

Muban · 22 Jan 2007 at 23:39

ElRazur said:
Snip....

I wasn't asking about how it works in other societies, I was asking how you thought it would work in the UK. Also if you would like to clarify the points raised regarding the situation I gave you.

ElRazur · 22 Jan 2007 at 23:49

Gilly said:
So the young woman is a prize to be given away?

And you think this a good thing?

You're wrong. We don't need your outmoded social practices here And some Americans join cult religious sects and commit mass-suicides. Doesn't mean its a good idea.

Gilly, im debating on both sides here. But due to the stance of many people against it, Im trying to show possibilities of it working...Im not trying to convince anyone.

Personally, i wouldnt say a woman should be a prize but if she's willing and love is in there why not allow her to go into it?

Are using a view of someone who dont have a clue as to how polygamy works to say am wrong? It aint my practice nor it is out of fashion per sey - It is been done in some part of the world, this form part of their tradition and culture. Who are we to say it is wrong?
Mass murder and polygamy are two different things

ElRazur · 22 Jan 2007 at 23:52

Muban said:
I wasn't asking about how it works in other societies, I was asking how you thought it would work in the UK. Also if you would like to clarify the points raised regarding the situation I gave you.

The ingredients are already in place in my view. The freedom and libration. Please go back a few page and see other's contribution especially the one that asked why should there be a problem with this if gay marriage is allowed.

The scenario you gave is something i cant answer for now. I dont practise it so i would know.

Gilly · 22 Jan 2007 at 23:53

ElRazur said:
Gilly, im debating on both sides here. But due to the stance of many people against it, Im trying to show possibilities of it working...Im not trying to convince anyone.

Thats another thing we differ on. You don't appear to be playing devil's advocate you appear to be arguing one side and one side only.

ElRazur said:
Personally, i wouldnt say a woman should be a prize but if she's willing and love is in there why not allow her to go into it?

Thats not what you said. You said if the dude was successful that the young woman would be given to him. Thats not her being in love, thats her being a prize.

I don't agree with it for a myriad other reasons but I'm answering your posts directly for ease of communicating my points.

ElRazur said:
Are using a view of someone who dont have a clue as to how polygamy works to say am wrong? It aint my practice nor it is out of fashion per sey - It is been done in some part of the world, this form part of their tradition and culture. Who are we to say it is wrong?
Mass murder and polygamy are two different things

Your first question there doesn't make sense.

We are able to say it is wrong here because it wouldn't suit our way of life. It wouldn't work here, and when the other places you mention become more civilised it won't work there either. BTW as you no doubt know I wasn't saying polygamy and suicide have anything to do with each other, I was saying that 'some Americans do it' wasn't the best reason to do something.

-Mike- · 22 Jan 2007 at 23:55

Gilly said:
So the young woman is a prize to be given away?

And you think this a good thing?

You're wrong. We don't need your outmoded social practices here And some Americans join cult religious sects and commit mass-suicides. Doesn't mean its a good idea.

I couldn't have said it better to be honest.

Muban · 22 Jan 2007 at 23:55

ElRazur said:
The ingredients are already in place in my view. The freedom and libration. Please go back a few page and see other's contribution especially the one that asked why should there be a problem with this if gay marriage is allowed.

The scenario you gave is something i cant answer for now. I dont practise it so i would know.

I already have read through the thread, please stop telling other people to do that it gets very annoying when it's clear that people already have. I know you don't practise it as you have already stated. I was asking for your opinion on how it might work as it might encourage you to think on the topic from another point of view.

ElRazur · 23 Jan 2007 at 00:03

Gilly said:
Thats another thing we differ on. You don't appear to be playing devil's advocate you appear to be arguing one side and one side only.

Thats not what you said. You said if the dude was successful that the young woman would be given to him. Thats not her being in love, thats her being a prize..

That's precisely what am trying to do - play devil's advocate. But my arguement will appear one side as i have more people i have to get my point across to many who dont think it would work.

Gilly said:
Your first question there doesn't make sense. ..

Im trying to say i dont agree with giving woman away as a prize - No human should. If love is involve in a potential polygamous relationship, i wouldnt stop someone who wants to go into it from doing so.

Gilly said:
We are able to say it is wrong here because it wouldn't suit our way of life. It wouldn't work here, and when the other places you mention become more civilised it won't work there either. BTW as you no doubt know I wasn't saying polygamy and suicide have anything to do with each other, I was saying that 'some Americans do it' wasn't the best reason to do something.

We havent tried yet and we dont know for sure that it would fit. Those places will only have it adapting to their development as they become "more civilised". So in other words it will be something that will be around for the long run.

Gilly · 23 Jan 2007 at 00:05

ElRazur said:
We havent tried yet and we dont know for sure that it would fit.

No we don't, we know that it wouldn't

-Mike- · 23 Jan 2007 at 00:08

ElRazur said:
I didnt say you do. I was refering to the Uk law in general. No man or woman can marry more than one partner right? Im saying the law should be changed to recognise the other Wives or Husbands...Even if no marriage is allowed, recognition of some sort should be allowed just like the one for gay marriages.

You know, i like that arrangement. No fuss, no muss and no strings attached.

Why on earth should it be changed. Its been this way for how many years? Why change it to some stupid idea that you only see on tv documentarys about strange groups of people.

ElRazur · 23 Jan 2007 at 00:08

Muban said:
I already have read through the thread, please stop telling other people to do that it gets very annoying when it's clear that people already have. I know you don't practise it as you have already stated. I was asking for your opinion on how it might work as it might encourage you to think on the topic from another point of view.

My bad. I though i exaplained myself as to why it might work already in the thread. Anyway here -

There is laws already allowing same sex marriage, why not polygamy?

If more than one people are in love and want to stay in a recognised form of togetherness why should the society dictate otherwise?

I said before that countries who allows polygamy have a lower divore rates.

It might help form a stronger foundation to a better society.

Man are animals and by such we have animal-instinct that are sometime suppresed...maybe this shouldnt be?

ElRazur · 23 Jan 2007 at 00:09

Gilly said:
No we don't, we know that it wouldn't

We said the same about homosexuals 100years ago

Roberta · 23 Jan 2007 at 00:13

ElRazur said:
Man are animals and by such we have animal-instinct that are sometime suppresed...maybe this shouldnt be?

We're not back to the lions again are we?

Gilly · 23 Jan 2007 at 00:13

ElRazur said:
I said before that countries who allows polygamy have a lower divore rates.

And in answer before you were told there's many other factors involved, not least the point that countries that practice polygamy simply don't have divorce.

ElRazur said:
We said the same about homosexuals 100years ago

We did. Your point? Society has developed in an untold amount of ways since then and still polygamy is only practiced by hippies and religious nuts

-Mike- · 23 Jan 2007 at 00:14

ElRazur said:
dribble

Yes your bad. This country has been this way for years, as are MANY others. We are not animals, like the guy above said... such as lions.

ElRazur · 23 Jan 2007 at 00:14

Roberta said:
We're not back to the lions again are we?

Lol. No not at all.

**she's watching me** :eek:

-Mike- · 23 Jan 2007 at 00:16

As for your point of it will lower divorce rates? Sorry but what? Its not a death rate or something... divorce rates are hardly something to cry over are they.