Porsche 996 Turbo - Any buying tips and what do people know about these?

eidolon said:
If you use it for more than say 10 seconds you're in serious danger of losing your licence, that was the point I was making, not that somehow impossible to get that amount of power down to the ground (although it's gonna be a damn sight harder to get the power down in the Mustang than it is in the M5 with all your gadgetry)



When I was looking to purchase a car I was very, very tempted to get a 5l TVR because there's not much around that can accelerate like one. Then I went out in an VX and an Elise and realised that whilst it's fun being pushed into your seat when you plant your right foot, it's much more fun being able to corner quicker than Physics should allow you to hence why I bought the 111R (which is hardly slow by anyones standards anyway)
The Elise allows me to make very quick progress, carrying a hell of a lot of speed round corners. Naturally the Mustang would leave me on the straights, but I don't think it would have a chance when the road was anything but straight. (as seen on Top Gear and the Jeremy Clarkson DVD)
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With any car that has over 200BHP if you keep your foot planted for 10s you risk getting into serious trouble and loosing your license.

On the top gear test the Mustangs certainly were not embarrased by any means. The first test was a stock Mustang and fair enough it had the Stig driving but the Elise completed the track only like 1-2s quicker.
On the Jeremy Clarkson DVD the Mustang was up against the best Elise there is and in all fairness that Elise only had a very slight edge on the Mustang and only got passed due to driver error. When the lap had finished the Mustang was right up the Elise ass and that was after nearly coming off so clearly pulled back some ground.

One of the guys on Pistonheads took his supercharged Mustang (462BHP) on a Pistonheads run and one of the runners was an Elise. Conditions were a little damp but along the B-Roads the Elise driver could not remove the Mustang from his rear bumper at any point, maybe it was down to the driver but either way saying it would not stand a chance on anything but a straight road is an unfair comment. Especially considering you aint driven a Mustang thats had its suspensions sorted or a Roush, Steeda or Saleen example.
I will agree that with equally good drivers an Elise will corner quicker as the law of physics say so due to how lightweight such a car is but certainly by not enough to embarras a Mustang and as roads/tracks do have straights too then little Elise would be in trouble.

Fact is if I go for a Porsche I get similar straight line performance to my Mustang but basically elise handling but the added benefit of 4WD traction too for those wet colder days. :)
 
hey gibbo :)

Out of curiosity what do you do at OcUK?

Also as for the test with the M6 911 and AMV8 im sure they cheated with something? I heard they turned of traction control in the M6 :confused:
 
eidolon said:
If you use it for more than say 10 seconds you're in serious danger of losing your licence, that was the point I was making, not that somehow impossible to get that amount of power down to the ground (although it's gonna be a damn sight harder to get the power down in the Mustang than it is in the M5 with all your gadgetry)
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Gadgetery? In M mode I have DSC off. No gadgetry at all except ABS.

eidolon said:
The Elise allows me to make very quick progress, carrying a hell of a lot of speed round corners. Naturally the Mustang would leave me on the straights, but I don't think it would have a chance when the road was anything but straight. (as seen on Top Gear and the Jeremy Clarkson DVD)
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I know all about corner speed. My supercharged Radical makes Elises look like they are standing still and that's round corners. But that's on the track. On the road you have traffic and you have to take precautions to avoid accidents. This means hard braking and acceleration and big HP helps.
 
Gibbo said:
The first test was a stock Mustang and fair enough it had the Stig driving but the Elise completed the track only like 1-2s quicker.
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So basically the Mustang had a huge BHP advantage AND a professional race driver with years of experience, and the other had Jeremy "fists of ham" driving yet it still won ;)
I wonder what would've happened if they'd switched drivers?

Andy, it's your money but I'm just trying to make the point that IMO I wouldn't spend £30-£40k on a 500BHP car when in reality you don't get enough chance to use all that power to warrant the cost, especially when you still live at home.

If you can happily live with your folks and drive around in a 911 then go for it :) (can you not stretch to a 355?)
 
eidolon said:
Andy, it's your money but I'm just trying to make the point that IMO I wouldn't spend £30-£40k on a 500BHP car when in reality you don't get enough chance to use all that power to warrant the cost, especially when you still live at home.

If you can happily live with your folks and drive around in a 911 then go for it :) (can you not stretch to a 355?)
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Yeah but who cares about anything else. Who ever has the fastest car is the coolest yeah ? ;)
 
eidolon said:
So basically the Mustang had a huge BHP advantage AND a professional race driver with years of experience, and the other had Jeremy "fists of ham" driving yet it still won ;)
I wonder what would've happened if they'd switched drivers?

Andy, it's your money but I'm just trying to make the point that IMO I wouldn't spend £30-£40k on a 500BHP car when in reality you don't get enough chance to use all that power to warrant the cost, especially when you still live at home.

If you can happily live with your folks and drive around in a 911 then go for it :) (can you not stretch to a 355?)
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I see you fail to comment about the Roush Mustang against the best Elise both driven by race drivers. The Elise a focus track car only winning due to driver error and still only managing to win by just a car length. ;)

You see though I live with a 500BHP RWD Mustang on a daily basis and whenever I get the chance I make use of its power. So with a 4WD motor with traction assist then surely making use of that power will be an easy task, will it not?

At the moment yes I can happily live with my folks. If I do decide to get a house then wether or not if I own a 30k-50k car will make no difference as I earn enough money to purchase a house too, but at the moment I've made the decision to stay at home. I guess once I've got my hands on the Porsche then I could go for the house as afterall the Porsche I will own and so then I can start putting my income towards a house. As my income is pretty damn good (thanks Mr Spie) but I live up North where 150-200k gets a pretty decent house I have no worries.

I don't understand your argument in not getting chance to use the 500BHP power to warrant the cost especially when still living at home? If Spie can use 507BHP in a RWD M5 on UK roads as a daily driver then a Porsche is gonna manage it with ease due to 4WD.

If I get a Porsche 996 Turbo its not going to put me out of pocket any more than the Mustang does. Insurance will be more on the Porsche but petrol cost will be far lower. So that will balance out. On the Porsche I suspect I will just remap it and maybe an exhaust, total cost about 2k, in comparison I spend about 5k in modding the Mustang possibly more.
So I will still have money saved in my bank and still plenty of spare income per month which instead of saving or spending stupidly at times I could quite easily use to get a nice house as up here in the North house prices are a lot lower, getting something with a drive/garage along with front/rear gardens does not cost a fortune, so when I feel the need to move out I can do so and owning and running a Porsche will not prevent me from doing so. :)

Ferrari 355's are not a good buy, un-reliable, very old. Why buy one when a Porsche Turbo cost the same and is a far more reliable daily driver?
 
Simon said:
Yeah but who cares about anything else. Who ever has the fastest car is the coolest yeah ? ;)
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If I thought like that then I could just simply go out and buy an EVO FQ340 for 20k and with the other 20k take it upto some insane amount of power. Or even a Subaru Type 25 from Litchfields.

I do want power but am not interested in owning the fastest car, as thats impossible as there is always a faster car out there on the road. My m8 used to own a Cosworth Van, 450BHP, weighed nothing and would eat any car in a straight line, it was fun seeing the shock on other drivers faces, but its not anything I'd ever want to own.

I like coupe style cars and grand tourers but only 2/3 door models. I guess ruling out 4/5 door cars is a bad thing as then I miss out on amazing cars such as the RS4, RS6 and M5's of the world but they just don't appeal to me.
 
eidolon said:
So basically the Mustang had a huge BHP advantage AND a professional race driver with years of experience, and the other had Jeremy "fists of ham" driving yet it still won ;)
I wonder what would've happened if they'd switched drivers?
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nope if your talking about the good the bad the ugly dvd then the exige s had stig driving, the rousch mustang had some american racing driver, the rousch made a mistake and this was the only reason the exige passed.
 
jonarob said:
It didn't make a mistake, it was being pushed too hard in a corner to keep up with the Exige and wound up spinning.
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Hi there

It did not spin, it ran wide. As when they crossed the finishing line the Roush had caught back up and was right on the Elises bumper. The Elise had a slight cornering speed advantage but the Roush had a whopping whole lot more straight line speed.

So considering the Elise is built as a track car in mind and the Mustang is a grand tourer I'd say thats a pretty damn good result in the Mustangs corner.
 
cymatty said:
The car in the Vid looks like an exige to me, a even harder hardcore Elise. Although I wait to be proved wrong. :p
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Hi there

I am unsure, thought it was an Elise S, but maybe its an Exige S if such a thing exist.

A more fair test would have been putting it up against a BMW M3 or Audi RS4
 
cymatty said:
Yes a 240bhp ish supercharged Exige.
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Hi m8

You are indeed correct, it was a Lotus Exige S:-

1.8l Supercharged Toyota Quad Cam VVTL-i engine (2ZZ-GE)
218bhp @ 7800rpm
158.6 lb/ft torque @ 5500rpm
233.2 bhp/tonne
0-60mph 4.1 seconds
0-100mph 9.98 seconds
148mph top speed
935KG weight


So if a Roush Mustang a car that was originally designed to be a grand tourer and tweaked by Roush to perform even better on road and track can keep up on the twisties with the best Lotus can offer and walk away from it on the straights is a pretty damn good result.

I'd suspect the reason Clarkson never tested the Roush against a similar class car such as an RS4 or M3 is because the Roush would have no doubt kicked their asses. Afterall an Exige S definetely is far quicker than an M3 and no doubt an RS4 too, yet that Exige S had great trouble getting away from the Mustang and it was only when the driver made error the Exige got by and even by the end of the race the Roush had caught right back up again.
 
Gibbo said:
Hi there

It did not spin, it ran wide. As when they crossed the finishing line the Roush had caught back up and was right on the Elises bumper. The Elise had a slight cornering speed advantage but the Roush had a whopping whole lot more straight line speed.

So considering the Elise is built as a track car in mind and the Mustang is a grand tourer I'd say thats a pretty damn good result in the Mustangs corner.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-EQANX1ecQ

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