Porsche 996 Turbo - Any buying tips and what do people know about these?

Simon said:
Driven both?

How on earth can you make comments like that?


its easy to see from a design perspective

one has been designed to cater for fat bottomed businessmen to drive them round autobahns in absolute luxury

The porsche turbo is designed to be a sensible day to day car, but an absolute animal at the weekend.

The Litchfield Type 25 on the other hand, is modified by a tuner, it isnt designed to be bought by lardy wealthy businessmen

dont get me wrong, i love the 996 turbo, and theres no doubting its pace, quality and prescence

but the design is somewhat compromised by being more mass market than the T25, which was designed for a purpose. And it isnt ferrying fat wealthy people up and down motorways

Now the Porsche GT3 on the other hand ...
 
dirtydog said:
Slim wealthy businessmen?

LOL I was thinking poor lardy businessmen :p, but I have no idea how much they cost, it's probably a 90k Subaru. ;)

To say that the 996T was designed for fat wealthy businessmen is a joke though.
 
Giddy said:
LOL I was thinking poor lardy businessmen :p, but I have no idea how much they cost, it's probably a 90k Subaru. ;)

To say that the 996T was designed for fat wealthy businessmen is a joke though.

perhaps a slight exaggeration

but you see what im getting at

the GT3 and the Turbo appeal to totally different markets.

And the T25 has an equally specialist appeal as the GT3. Who except a die hard motors forum reading scooby nut would pay 60k for an impreza ?

the T25 is very focused, because its appealing to a very specific group of die hard motorists who dont just want to use it as a bahn cruiser

dont get me wrong, not every 996 Turbo is used like that, but a significant ammount of 996 Turbo owners are wealthy businessmen who probably never use 100 % of the performance the Turbo has to offer. Those wealthy businessmen probably wont be buying Impreza Type 25s with their hard earned cash.
 
Hi there

Whatever car I get guys it will either be very unique or I will modify it subtly to give a look I like.

Subaru's especially the Type 25 impress me by their ability and how cheap they are for so much power and great handling but unfortunately they don't really appeal to me.

Colour wise I either want black or one of the very dark like gunmetal greys.

I could do this now but I want to get more from the Mustang and I feel that the Porsches will depreciate even more. My goal is an 2002/2003 model with circa 30,000 miles and preferably tiptronic for better reliability.

Obviously once I get it I shall do some basic mods and remap/tune and see how it is and if I want more I have already seen a nice kit for circa £6000 which is bolt-on that gives 640BHP and 700Lb-Ft, now that should win the race to the pub. ;)

I quite like the styling of this one:-
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Not too sure about the rear spoiler, maybe something a little smaller. Like the wheels but I think that black/gunmetal allows with a silver outer line would look real nice but subtle.
 
NickXX said:
Hi mate,

Have you considered one of these? About as special as it gets - and I know you don't mine LHD :p. Decent VMax too ;)

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http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/128272.htm

OMG £50k for a GT2......i would buy that if i could,although do i have to have an organ donor card to drive it?

The above turbo looks like a GT2 and with 4wd its more suited to gibbo than the RWD gt2.

However,i sort of fell in love with the gt2 bi turbo in gtr2 :(
 
Hi there

A GT2/GT3 I would love if I had endless amounts of money as then I could just have it as weekend/track car along with a great daily driver.

However whatever I get will be my daily driver and will replace the Mustang and the BMW. As our roads are crap and weather often wet I really do want something 4WD as with around 500BHP RWD can be a handful with no traction/stability control when conditions are poor.
I drove the Mustang on Wednesday in the snow/ice and whilst it was fun it was also a nightmare keeping it on the road and then there is the thought of an other road user crashing into me due to ice.
So the last couple of days I have used the BMW and even though its RWD I can still drive it everywhere foot to the floor and slide the rear out very easily as its got far less power and is far less aggressive. It takes basically nowhere near the same concentration level to drive it quick.
However I know why the Mustang breaks the rears loose so easily and its down to two reasons. One is because I adjusted the bypass screw so that torque came in very low, this I can re-adjust to make the torque more progressive which should help putting the power down. The other is those damn huge heavy 20" wheels with very skinny rubber. I am contemplating get some lightweight 18" wheels that are 10" wide on the rear with some 305/45/18 rubber as that will help a lot with traction when laying the power down, plus it will make the car a damn site quicker too.

I want 500BHP, I want to be able to use it so 4WD is ideally a must or a car that is RWD but has a good driver aid programme like say an M5 for when you just want to press-on without the need to be constantly adjusting throttle and steering input whilst attempting to put the power down. If our roads and weather was always great then the Mustang would be awsome, but maybe I can improve the Mustangs ability with a couple of tweaks.

Driving the Mustang is a heap of fun but at the same time it can be a pain when the rear-end is sliding around. :D


I think these wheels would look ace on a black Porsche:-
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EddScott said:
I don't know gibbo but from his past vehicle history, he's not into 4 door saloons. More a 2 door coupe man. Why the Type 25 talk?

From his desire to test drive one (check the linked thread in my post in this thread) and other mentions of the Type 25 he has made in Motors. Maybe.

Only jumped in because of the mention of the Type 25 and remember Gibbo mentioning it a few times in various threads. Apologies if it seems a jap derail was on the cards. ;)


Giddy said:
What and who was it designed for?

Nutters.

Seriously.

Johnnycoupe said:
A 911 Turbo is every school boys dream...

Have to disagree, chief. Never appealed to me in *that* special sense of exotica, but I do remember thinking long and hard about how ******* cool it would be to own a car that came with it's own torque wrench for the wheels. 959, yes please.

And hopefully last mention OT, regards MrLOL, unless Litchfield was telling porkies, I'd be better off with a 25 than converting an existing scoob...I'm going to have to think why now. :)

And cheers for the Evo track time list, I bet that certainly ****** on some *big* campfires :D .
 
Kingy said:
Does the V8 RS4 float your boat?

^ Much better exhausts and spoiler...

Hi there

Again I have great respect for the cars ability and its build quality but it just does not appeal to me.

Maybe I just don't like 4 door/saloon type cars. If I was to buy a 4 door Saloon I'd think the only car I would buy would be an M5 or an EVO FQ340 tuned to 400+ BHP.

I don't suppose anyone knows of any links/reviews they could point me in the direction of please of 996 Turbos both manual and tiptronic so I can learn more about the car and how its tiptronic system works and how the performance differs from the manual?
 
Gibbo said:
Hi there

Again I have great respect for the cars ability and its build quality but it just does not appeal to me.

Maybe I just don't like 4 door/saloon type cars. If I was to buy a 4 door Saloon I'd think the only car I would buy would be an M5 or an EVO FQ340 tuned to 400+ BHP.

What about the Cabriolet?

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Obviously the price would come right down given your timeframe...
 
Big power 4wd Porkers get me moist tbh. I wouldn't touch a FQ400 stylee evo just going on the ridiculous servicing alone! Obviously if it is custom uprated from a lower version then some common sense can be built in. However Noooo to that, goooo Porker.
 
Kingy said:
What about the Cabriolet?

Warning: Not Suitable For Work!

Obviously the price would come right down given your timeframe...

HI m8

I hate Cabriolets, just don't like them!
The only cabriolet I like if its classed as one is the S2000 and maybe the odd Ferrari but Porsches, Audi's I think look yuck in cabriolet form.

I've been checking up on some US forums and have found a tuner who most of the US guys seem to use with Porsche Turbos.

For $2000 he offers a handheld programmer that stores the cars stock tune which can be re-flashed back at any time for warranty/dealer purposes and can hold upto a further 7 tunes.
For the price you get the programmers, data lead, and three tunes or more for different octane levels or to cater for different mods and style of driving for you car. Loads of guys using these in the states and proven dyno improvement of 90BHP and 140Lb-Ft along with quicker gear changes on tiptronics. So sounds an ideal option if I go for a 911 Turbo. :D

The thought of owning a 911 with over 500BHP and approx 550Lb-Ft does make me grin and thats just from an ECU flash upgrade. Start improving intake, exhaust the results will be better and then there is bigger turbos if I was to get crazy.
 
Gibbo said:
HI m8

I hate Cabriolets, just don't like them!
The only cabriolet I like if its classed as one is the S2000 and maybe the odd Ferrari but Porsches, Audi's I think look yuck in cabriolet form.

Fair play... :)

All I could find after a quick look on the Porka front was this
 
If you can afford to buy and run one, a Porsche is a fantastic tool. A comfy, stylish, head turning car with a great turn of performance. Other cars might offer a better performance (esp. per doller), but the 911 turbo is a proper supercar.

A couple of things to consider about them though:

Rumour has it that Germans themselves don't consider them a particulalry reliable vehicles. I'm inclinced to believe this, I've owned a moon mile 944 S2 in the past, and my fathers currently on his second 911. We both experienced problems problems with them, although mine was pretty old so I suppose it was to be expected. A couple of work colleagues have Boxters, one had an oil pipe come loose which siezed the engine with less than 1000 miles on the clock (replaced under warrenty of course!), the other had the plastic fins on the water pump disintegrate, and the car was back and forth to the dealers for weeks while they tried to flush the plastic out of the system which (they believe) was causing air locks resulting in overheating.

Secondly, be prepared for extortionate parts costs, particularly on a high end model like the turbo. I believe someone commented above that running costs are similar to a M3 - well I don't know much about BMW servicing but if thats true, remind me not to get an M3! Even seemingly innocent bits like the foglight plastic casing on a '89 C2 cost > £300, and from experience expect a main dealer servicing to start at £1k, despite what they say on the little cost board over the service counter!

Finally, be prepared for a lot of grief from people's attitude. This might not bother you, but was the reason I ultimately got rid of my S2. People (even "friends") see you pull up in a Porsche, and immediately their attitude changes. Its just envy - and its ridiculous, my Porker was worth a fraction of the cost much as most of their newer cars. Its something I havn't experienced in any other vehicle I've had, and I've owned much more expense machinery since.

If you can live with all these points, then get down the dealers today! The still 911 is my favourite looking car ever made, if I manage to win the lottery one day I'll own a 993 Turbo, like this one:
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I love 911 turbos. :(

I would happily drive a 993 or a 996 but im still getting used to the wheels and front end of the 997.......whats with the daft tat stuck to the bumper. :confused:
 
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