Porsche Owners Thread - If you own one or just like or hate them! :)

Absolutely, there are a few Porsche specialists near me, so I'd definitely pay one for an inspection if I end up getting one next year. Are 911s more susceptible to this than Caymans?

From being a member on several Porsche forums the engines worse effected are:-

3.4l found in Cayman pre 2009 - Supposedly 5% chance of IMS failure and engine at somepoint in its life will score the bores.
3.8l is second most effect - IMS issues seemed to be reduced on 06 and later built cars where they got a revised IMS, they still score the bores though.

2.7l and 3.6l are less effected but can still suffer from both the above.


In short Hartech are the ones who have rebuilt the most engines and also found ways to prevent it, so far not one single Hartech re-built engine has failed, yet some people with Porsche replacement engines have even had the replacement let go. Also Autofarm and LN engineering very well regarded and singing from same sheet as Hartech.

Hartech have suggested taking the following action can help reduce scoring vastly:-

1. Change oil every 6000 miles
2. Use thicker grade oil 5W-40 or 10W-50
3. Lower temperature thermostat.
4. Warm car up properly
5. The crazy one, try not to use engine torque i.e. don't floor it sub 2500rpm

Above helps vastly reduce scoring, oil changes maybe IMS too.

The bores score because cooling/flow is not enough across the engine and particular cylinder 6 can not get enough coolant flow resulting in things get to hot resulting in scoring, for a far better explanation check google or Hartech website for more details where it is far better explained.
 
I've had bore scoring with my Cayman. The easy test is to start a cold engine and give it some revs - if the bores are scored you will see blue/white smoke pouring out only one of the exhausts. If you see this, just walk away.

Mine was purchased from OPC and they accepted it back for a rebuild without any trouble (colchester OPC) - so couldnt fault the service. I went from 1L oil per 1k miles to not having to top up in 5k (so far).

Equally, I just got to experience Porsche assist for the first time today. I pulled away, went for second, felt a clunk, and got nothing. After that I could get third which worked fine, but couldn't use any other gear. I`m pretty sure its the linkage/gating thingy thats broken as there was no crunching horrible sound i'd have expected from the gearbox being damaged. Had RAC with me within 50minutes and dropped at work only 80 minutes late. Now got an E class hire car until I get mine back. All I know about the problem so far is that is warranty covered, hopefully get some more details tomorrow. Overall an excellent service so far!

It does worry me about running without warranty...etc in a few years time though.

Yeah and sooting on just one side as well.
Mine smokes on a cold damp/wet morning but both sides, not just one. But cold starts on warm days there is no smoke. Mine uses little oil as well. :)
 
HI there

Fitted the track wheels yesterday fitted with Michelin CUP tyres, here is some pictures:-


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Have to say I expected these wheels to look nowhere near as good as my regular Sport Design wheels, as I got them to be used as track wheels, but am pleasantly surprised at how good they actually look and certainly show of the huge brakes more so than my regular wheels.

For comparison sake, here is a picture of the car on its regular wheels:-

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The cups have a little more grip that the Corsa's for sure which is superb as the Corsa is also a track R compound tyre too. The Michelins also seems more confident inspiring and quieter. Not one for the wet though as the tread design is pretty much for dry use only. Looking forward to Donnington in June now. :)
 
Ditto actually.

Yeah was pleasantly surprised. :)

I think these have a more aggressive look compared to my regular wheels more upmarket look.

Can't complain, wheels were £400, cost £250 to refurb and paint them. The cup tyres I got for the bargain price of £300 with 4mm, they only have 5mm new, so should get me 2-3 track days. :)

Plus the Sport Design wheels I have are selling on Ebay for £1500-£2000 without tyres, so I shall sell those seperately in the future as I shall trade the car in on the track wheels due to being worth less.
 
Have you had the car corner weighted and ride height'd mate? I can't help thinking that dialling out some of that rear end height will improve it's handling.

Don't think it's adjustable m8 as it's stock suspension, Chris at cog set the car up. Chris said the rear being higher than front is always good for turn in and it handles superb and is doing very well around Donny. Of course ditching the stock suspension and getting some motons and the ride height setup would probably be a big improvement. But it's £3500 and to me seems a lot.
 
Im not sure mate to be honest about the adjustability and he is of course right as he knows loads more than me about such things, but higher rear end can lead to a lose rear which of course would mean a better turn in. As you know the 911 is very sensitive to set up and I have heard (I can't confirm) 5-10mm changes to rear ride from stock on the GT3 can have significant weight transfer impact and in turn, handling.

Well the rear is certainly not loose, even with GT3 ARB set to stiffest the car still goes to understeer, but more steering angle can help or power. But either way I love how it handles now, any oversteer is progressive and controllable, feels great. :)
 
[ui]ICEMAN;24444637 said:
$141k for the one I want. Tempting, very tempting. Porsche are so heavily discounted in the US, that's actually cheaper than my Vantage!

Do it!

New GT3 just looks stupidly quick, faster than Enzo and GTR at the ring too, yet it has the least horsepower, the way it turns has to be unreal. Seems easier to drive than previous models, but still remains fun, just without the fear/respect element. Though I'm sure it can still bite!
 
Hi there

Had an awesome track day at Donnington yesterday even though it was very wet, almost a river running across the old hair pin. So my gamble of leaving the cup tyres on hoping it would dry it did not pay off as it was very wet and never did dry out. Anyway some videos:-



My mate came in his EVO who was determined to be faster than me in the wet because our last visit to Donnington was in the dry and he could not keep up, so he was hoping the wet would turn the tables, so watch the battle here:-

EVO vs 911 Part 1

EVO vs 911 Part 2

EVO vs 911 Part 3

EVO vs 911 Part 4


As you can see we were very closely matched in the wet, when he let me pass after 5 laps I'd only manage to pull away by the full length of the pit straight, so not much but definetely quicker just. His car is an EVO 8 FQ-400. On the PSS I'd have pulled away even more as the cups were lacking for outright grip in such conditions, but their feedback was superb and hence I could drive so close to the limits and the cars balance was perfect.

Had a great fight with an R34 GTR Vspec as well running big horsepower, but again through the corners and under breaking I was quicker, I was about to him let pass but then he lost it and slowed down.

So yeah it felt good yesterday to drive a RWD car on cups in a tidy manner and show how the 4WD boys how it's done, though it took immense concentration, so how the F1 drivers do it for 2hr solid is some achievement as after 30-40 minutes I was feeling frazzled.
 
No, but for the sake of £150 I might aswell replace it.

Just drop the the engine and pull it out with the special tool.

Sounds like ideal maintenance if it cost so little and is relatively straight forward. Just don't get it wrong. :)

Unfortunately my car being a 2006 built car has the upgraded IMS, so you have to crack the casing to change it, so only a job to do when engine is being stripped and re-built. Though hopefully being the upgraded unit it won't be an issue and supposedly IMS failure on the 06 onwards is like sub 1%, their biggest nightmare is bore scoring and mine are fine. :)











In the meantime check out this video from 1:00 onwards:-


Amazing car control!
 
Hi there


When people tell me to buy an R8 because they are sub 40k and faster than the 911, I can just reply with this:-



Don't get me wrong R8 looks amazing, sounds great and is quite a special drive, but its no faster than a gen1 C2S/C4S, really gotta be the V10 for an upgrade and even then think I'd rather a GT3 for sure or a 911 Turbo or GTR for 40k. :)
 
I guess, it's just the price of them and for something a bit more fun at weekends

The older none DFI engines have a lot of issues as it is, such short journeys would be a recipe for oil dilution, amongst other things. It would be OK as long as every weekend it got a good warming up and a true good blasting afterwards.

Porsches hate short journeys, they really do, drive them as intended and then they are happy.

A 4-5k Boxster a good one will exist and be a true bargain but for every one good one at this price range there will be 99 dogs. So buy very carefully as these cars can throw huge bills!
 
My 987 Boxster S needs new discs & pads all round, & I'm not sure whether to just leave it with my local dealer & let them sort it out (who want £1600), or whether to consider using a specialist or even uprated parts?

Gibbo, I've seen you mention Performance Friction parts before, have you found these offer a noticeable improvement over OEM?

Hi m8

£1600, that is a lot of money!

For disc performance friction / girodisc are both lighter and should be similar cost, they should also last twice as long.

Pad wise, if you go PF / Pagid they are noisy and rather dusty. So can't really comment to much on pad for regular use, but if you push the OPC hard they will give 10-20% discount on any quoted price. :)
 
Excellent post Housey. :)

My cars so far have been almost exclusively big, powerful M/AMG/RS cars with a wealth of driver aids; thrilling in a straight line but that's about it.

My first "proper" sports car was a 996 C2. I loved so much about it but I couldn't live with the (relative) lack of torque. I thought changing to a 996 Turbo would solve that - and I was right - but at the same time it lost a lot of the feel of the C2.

Whatever car I get will rarely see a track so it has to be exciting and involving at legal road speeds. That's why I'm looking at smaller, lighter cars with less driver assistance. :)

It makes sense to me anyway. :D


From the entire Porsche range will echoe what you say. I drove a 997 Turbo and found it a monster in a straight line and off the mark. But enjoyment/thrill on the road at legal speeds would simply not happen, you had to go at warp speed to start becoming involved and things not being to easy.

I've found the Boxster 2.9 DFI's a huge amount of fun at legal speeds because you simply thrash the hell out of them and drive them at 10/10th's everywhere and even though they are very capable your not exactly going down every road at 130+ mph, still under 3 digits. :)

This is said to be true of the basic 997 C2 spec though as well, 18" wheels, regular none PASM suspension or Sports suspension/LSD are said to be great cars that are rewarding without the need for warp speed.

I absolutely love my 997 C2S, though I've set it up for very much fast road / track use but its hugely capable but also very thrilling to drive as well at all speeds, whilst be solidly put together. :)
 
Thanks Gibbo. :)

Have you driven a 996 C2? The lack of torque really got on my wick. I'm wondering if the 997 C2 is any different.

Also, aren't the non-GT/Turbo 997s prone to the same IMS/bore-scoring issues as the 996s?

Yes 997.1 and earlier suffer the same bore scoring, though 2006 onwards are far less likely to suffer an IMS failure whereas on old 997.1 and 996 models this was quite an issue, but at least on the earlier cars it was easy to retrofit a stronger IMS.

Bore scoring is easy to keep in check with regular oil changes, good fuel and driving the car hard.

My C2S has loads of torque, surprisingly lots for an NA motor, its one of the things every driving instructor on tracks days have always commented on is how torquey the motor is. But the S is a 3800cc engine with 306lb/ft standard so not bad and with the right spec they can weigh 1390-1440kg so nowhere near as heavy as the 1600kg turbo cars.
 
Chris & Butcher

I shall write in more detail at somepoint how the 911 makes me feel, having a manic day at work and as Chris says I am happy to meet up and take you out in the 911, no issue whatsoever. :)

Shall reply later or tonight with exactly what I've done to my 911 and just the way it feels in comparison to other cars which in my view is what gives Porsches the edges over all other sport cars, except stuff from Ferrari, but they cost 3x more to buy and run.
 
Hi there

Guys a little more time now.

For me what makes the 911 in particular stand out from any other car I've driven / owned is by far communication and feedback the car gives.

A perfect example is this was a recent trackday I did with an aquaintence in an EVO 8 FQ-400, we'd previously done a track day together in the dry and to be frank the 911 was faster everywhere bar acceleration between 50-90mph. Under braking, corner entry, mid corner and corner exit the 911 was carrying more speed. It was only at full acceleration at speeds between 50-90mph where the EVO would pull 1-2 car lengths, but beyond 100mph the 911 quickly re-gained those 1-2 car lengths and passed, into three digits the 911 was simply much quicker. Overall the 911 was a good few seconds per lap faster, enough that in the dry once I was past, it did not take long for me to disappear.

We then went to Donnington again, I took a gamble of going on my semi slicks hoping the weather would remain dry, it did not, the heavens opened and my 2-3mm Michelin cups were not the right choice maybe. So I expected him to destroy me, but to our surprise it was not the case. Of course this time there was not much in it, the only real place I was quite a bit quicker was under braking again, anyone who has owned a 911 will know that there is no car better under-braking, as you can brake so late and hard with no stability issues (in a straight line) due to the rear engine layout. But even corner speeds I had a marginal edge, corner exit the EVO had an advantage being AWD. But again once I was past I was pulling away slowly and by 2-3 laps I had pulled the pit straight full length.

The difference was, I was tired, sweating and concentrating like crazy, but the 911 communicated the grip levels to me beautifully, to a point where I could drive the car right upto the grip limit, if I'd have gone marginally quicker, I'd have run wide, maybe spun etc. The 911 just gives you the communication and confidence to drive to that limit, keep it smooth and it just comes together but it takes a lot of concentration and effort on the drivers part, the engagement is truly superb. Whereas in the EVO it was just well so much easier, to do and the grip levels could not be felt, simply drive too them and beyond as it won't bite you so bad anyway.

For me this is what makes the 911 so much win, because the steering, feedback and communication from the chassis is second to none, plus the car is very rewarding and even scary at times when just driving at 7/8 tenths, its a lot of fun. Whereas many other cars have to be driven much harder/faster to get close to the same level of enjoyment. I am not good enough to push the 911 past 9 tenths, but of course they are superb right on the limit too but take a huge amount of skill to keep on the black stuff at that point.

This is why I love the 911, I am always coming back for more and it is why I am still keeping held on to it, because it is so damn good at everything, road, track, dry, wet it can do it all to an exceptional level whilst being completely awe-inspiring. No other car has kept me so hooked.

The downsides are running cost, potential problems from the engine, throttle response could be better, but this is why I rate a 911 over a Cayman/Boxster, because the 911 is the faster car, even when power is similar, the difference is most can drive a Cayman at 9/10 tenths because its an easier better balanced car. The 911 is a lot more challenging, but those who have the skill can pedal them quicker than a Cayman etc. as the chassis setup from the 911 can simply provide more grip, resulting in more corner speed.

Having a stripped M3 and it does make me wonder how amazing a stripped Carrera would be, I can only imagine my Carrera S 150kg lighter with a bit more power, it would be absolutely mind boggling good, but at the same time would also ruin and de-value a very expensive car, trust me I nearly did it and then I came to my senses and stopped having stupid thoughts.

Everyone should aim to own a 911 at somepoint, it is just a shame Porsche reliability record on the older 996/997's is not great, which is a shame because most will tell you that the 997.2's and onwards lost a little something, especially on the Carreras. Of course the bonus is the 997.2's have much better engines finally.

The M3 is an awesome track weapon, well once it is finished, but dry use only, it won't be bad in the wet when its done, but it will never have the 911's ability or an EVO's in wet conditions, that's just an M3 for you. Neither will an M3 ever be as communitive or engaging, especially on the road. The M3 I have to drive much quicker on the road to get the same enjoyment, unless of course its wet, then I can simply go round roundabouts at 20mph sideways. ;)

One other thing the 911 has as do most Porsches, is the soundtrack, it is so mechanical and awesome inside the cabin, it really is, to those on the outside its not the best, but inside, simply awesome. For a truly involving driving experience which is utterly fantastic I am yet to find a car which comes close, yes there are faster cars, better sounding cars but as a driving experience and a car which can handle all weathers and be used daily, I don't know a better sports car. :)
 
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