Porsche Owners Thread - If you own one or just like or hate them! :)
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The on paper specifications sound amazing, 420BHP, 3.9s 0-62mph, 4WS, seems the new Carrera can pretty much be specified with options to be very similar to a GT car without the crazy premiums.
Also twin turbo 3l, for those who are not so bothered about warranty can see these things tuning immensely and no doubt safely.
What I did not see is engine configuration, what are they flat 4, flat 6?
Still think I prefer the idea of the original 3.6/3.8l NA engines even if they are slower.
Oooooh they are pretty!!!!
3.0L fixed vane twin turbo flat six
40 kg heavier than the old engine
Carrera runs at 0.9 bar, Carrera S at 1.1 bar
Lift standard
e-LSD in C2S
7:34 around the nordschleife in the C2S
They are available from December.
This will surprise some of you... Mine is in pieces again, AOS failure. Just waiting on parts
AOS failure is nothing major, just very scary when it happens as smoke everywhere, looks like an engine explosion.
Just on a 911 AOS replacement is a rip off, part is not cheap and its not so easy to do.
I comparison on my M3 the AOS cost less than £20 and is a less than 10 minute DIY.
Was your car consuming oil? Normally sign of a worn/dirty or impending failure from AOS is high fuel consumption and some smoking from both exhaust.
If I go back Porsche after the Mustang it will either be a 997.2 GTS or a Cayman GTS for me I think, GT4 is interesting but I'd want PDK.
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Are you sure?
After a couple of months... I'm mildly wishing I'd gone with manual
Nope, PDK Sports Plus for me is better than manual, because with a manual it is always a manual.
I use car as a daily, so whilst car is cold AUTO is just easier, traffic jam easier, traffic light grand prix auto is far easier and less harsher on drivetrain.
The latest PDK in Sports Plus is very good, very much like a manual just without the pedal, almost similar to SMG. But older PDK and DSG systems yes I find to boring, to refined, but the newer stuff is much better.
AOS failure is nothing major, just very scary when it happens as smoke everywhere, looks like an engine explosion.
Just on a 911 AOS replacement is a rip off, part is not cheap and its not so easy to do.
I comparison on my M3 the AOS cost less than £20 and is a less than 10 minute DIY.
Was your car consuming oil? Normally sign of a worn/dirty or impending failure from AOS is high fuel consumption and some smoking from both exhaust.
To be honest Gibbo the car wasn't consuming any more oil than normal, neither was she smoking. The only give away was slightly higher crankcase pressure and a tiny coolant leak coming from the rear left of the engine next to the bell housing. The only reason I noticed is that I am proper paranoid and find myself looking underneath at almost every opportunity, when I took it a few miles this weekend I noticed it straight away, drove home and stripped it down to try and locate the source of the leak. After 45 mins I had all the intake manifold off and access to the AOS.
This is how I left her after an hours work on Sat:
Parts as you guessed weren't all that cheap the AOS was 90, intake manifold seals 35 and a new coolant hose to the AOS which was about a tenner.
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Similar reasons I wanted PDK & I'm not saying I dislike it... just found that I do have a preference for a manual box that I didn't realise I had until I spent a few months with PDK.
I have Sport Chrono Plus & yes... in sport plus I know what you mean... I love the kick in the lower back you get on the upshifts.
As for older PDK/DSG systems are you referring to the non-dual-clutch autos that wouldn't be referred to as PDK/DSG? As I thought there was only one version of PDK in the 997.2/987.2 cars?
No even the first versions of PDK with no Sports Plus have no kick and even worse if you have the push button steering wheel, very quick changes but so boring.
PDK for me is fine as long as it is Sports Plus and you have the sports wheel with paddles. For me in Sports Plus mode it is fine, can hold onto gears, bounce of limiter etc and has the kick. Of course its still not as brutal as SMG but there is nothing better than SMG II found in the E46 or Ferrari 360 F1 when your on it, but those systems are very poor in AUTO mode and can be jerky. Whereas PDK is brilliant as an auto.
In short PDK Sports Plus is 90% better as an AUTO compared to SMG/F1 and only 10% worse off in manual mode compared to those.
Like Housey says PDK is also far safer for the engine and clutches/DMF's last far longer typically in PDK cars than manuals, as should the gearbox and engine as well because it is pretty much impossible to over-rev the engine or money shift.
Maybe I am getting older but I'd take SMG II/III or PDK Sports Plus over a manual now anyday.
The gearbox in the GTR is also extremely good as well.
I am very happy, advertising mine when I am back from holiday as the values are really peaking now, new Carrera prices have risen again and like you say NA is now more desirable.
Gonna advertise mine at 35k in October, see what happens but had a few people show interest to me privately if I sell for around 30-32k, shall see.
I've been starting to look at 997.1 Carrera 2S prices with some serious interest.
Seems I will need to pay at least £25K for a good one, manual being my preference.
What is the general consensus on residuals around this price point? I would look to keep it and use it for a few years but not heavily
Seems I will need to pay at least £25K for a good one, manual being my preference.
What is the general consensus on residuals around this price point? I would look to keep it and use it for a few years but not heavily
It is all about spec, on a 997.1 C2S the must have options are:-
Manual
PASM
PSE
Sports Chrono
Sports wheel
Sports/auto seats
Sports Design or Carrera Sport wheels
2006 (55 or newer) built car (Has revised IMS and postcode satnav)
Bi-Xenons
The above with low-average miles 20-80k seem to holding value quite well, be sure to get a boroscope inspection to check status on engine scoring.
Cars that are Tiptronic, none PSE, 2004/2005 go for far less money, like around 20k and under, avoid these as they are pretty junk, tiptronic on the 997.1 series really was woeful.
The options that really add value:-
Ceramics
Aero-Kit (rare)
X51 package (rare)
Sports suspension/Diff (incredibly rare)
Speed Yellow
A car with above option with 60k or less miles are in the 30-40k region.
In short avoid Tiptronic and the older 2004/2005 cars like the plague. If you can get a 2006 built car with PSE and other good options it will hold value better.
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911 still looking great, not bad for 10 years old, still looks fresh.
Every time you post a picture of yours it makes me wish I bought a 997 instead of the M3, then I look at prices and remember why I didn't lol. Looks stunning as always
