Porsche Owners Thread - If you own one or just like or hate them! :)

J1nxy said:
So why the "Egg on your face" comment???
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Why so serious?
Tongue in cheek, I own a BMW and I love their cars too. But as good as a BMW is even with the pinnacle of the M3 CSL there is nothing that can really match the driving dynamics and chassis of a Porsche without going into silly silly money territory.

They should do a rematch, the M235i with a diff fitted against a Cayman with the go faster options or just put up against a Cayman S, but then money differential would be quite large.
 
NathWraith said:
Someone who wants a 2 series, is not going to be looking at a cayman are they. Maybe if they are looking at a 235i but a 235i is a far better day to day choice. Plus running costs are a ton cheaper.

Do they even compare on price? I would imagine a base spec Cayman needs at least £45K worth of optional extras before it's on par.

You also don't need to own a certain brand of car to comment on a model they sell. It doesn't really hold much weight unless you own the actual model in discussion.
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Having driven a 1M coupe, 130i, 135i, 330i, 530i, M3, M5 and M6 and every Porsche model, I've got quite a good idea on how they drive. ;)

But agreed as to why EVO are comparing these two very different market sector cars is unknown.
 
NathWraith said:
Yeah but you don't own those cars. And isn't the question which one would you own?

Which is better to drive vs ownership prospect is a far different question.
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I could happily live with either, BMW hugely quick in straight lines and an engine wanting to be tuned easily for little money.

Porsche a precision driving instrument, nuff said, having only two seats is not an issue for me, people can get the bus. :D

I'd not be upset at the prospect of either if given to me, if it was my own money then a Cayman GTS if what I'd probably go with or even better just stick with my 911. :)
 
NathWraith said:
Given the choice I would have the Cayman over the BMW for sure but I just don't see where they are very comparable choices.

The BMW is a hotted up version of a coupe/hatch, whereas the Cayman is a sports car from the word go.
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They are not really, hence the comment as to why EVO are comparing them, surely a Z4 of some description would be a better comparison to a Cayman. :)
 
Hi there

Mannings insurance wanted £640 for insurance renewal with unlimited track days. Checked with who I insure the M3 with, also track cover, only £515, not bad for the 911. :)

That's classic line insurance.
 
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86JR said:
How good is a 991 3.6 normal Carrera? Does the S have anything more than the non-s as standard other than more power? Mother wants one at some point, so I a looking at a years lease for her. Unfortunatly she doesn't like PDK, manual only.
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A 991 Carrera with pretty much no options on 18" or 19" wheels will be a great drive, as close to older the 997 generation as you can get.

Yes the S version has quite a lot more standard equipment level, bigger engine, PASM as standard, bigger wheels, potentially stuff like Sports/Chrono and sometimes bigger brakes as well.

So it is worth checking for the detailed differences. The S is about sportiness and track ability, if anything the regular Carrera will be a better car for someone who is buying a 911 to look good in, go to the shops etc.
 
86JR said:
She has never gone about 4krpm in any car she has owned, she thinks doing so = instant catastrophic engine failure unfortunatly. She currently has a mk1 tt 163 convertible so is definetly a poser rather than a quick driver like I am. But she doesn't want another cab as she fears someone will slash it out of jealousy (someone did similar to her TT)
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A Carrera would be perfect for her then. Just get a base spec and then hope that she lets you borrow it from time to time as it might be base spec but they are still incredible to drive. :)


 
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Hi there


The car in this video is a guy who I know, Jack Wood, being on a few drives with him and on track with him, his car is looking superb and is essentially a 996.2 GT3 with AD08R's and Pagid uprated pads, apart from that standard car:-





Shows how good the Cayman GTS and how quick it is too in a straight line more or less matching the GT3 on the straight. But huge respect that a 11yr old GT3 can keep Porsche's best Cayman to date at bay.

Still this shows you how bloody quick the new Caymans are and the newer 911's really are something else. :)
 
Hi there

Cayman GT4 or Clubsport could be a reality, finally a true hardcore Cayman, I'd be wanting a spec such as:-


1250-1300kg weight
3.8l engine with power pack (430BHP)
PDK Sports Plus (Manual option too)
PDK Sports Plus steering wheel
BMW do it so why not Porshe, carbon roof
Aero kit
6 pot front, 4 pot rears, 380mm disc.
Carbon buckets
Rear Cage+harness option
AC / Stero option no cost option.
Passive dampers as on GTS but further tuned and maybe further 5-10mm lower. Or maybe even Ohlins setup!
Sports exhaust
Even wider front/rear tracks
Wider wheels with 235mm front tyres and 275mm rears in 18" and 19" size
Hydraulic steering
Alcantera interior trim
Mechanical LSD / Torque vectoring diff options
Shorter gear ratios!!!



Will they do it? Gonna be around 70-90k no doubt due to options but if it was remotely similar to the above then what a drive! :eek:
 
[RXP]Andy;26716452 said:
Well I looks like ill be joining the owners thread shortly, well I say shortly I have a long wait for my car. My deposit went down on a new Cayman GTS today and it say I am over the moon is a bit of a understatement.
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Awesome choice, GTS is exceptional! Possibly the best car Porsche now have in the lineup as a drivers car.

911 goes on track tomorrow. :D
 
The 911 did a great job, beating off cars such as F360, R35 GTR and RS5 with a clear victory:-

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Best time during timing was 1:24.90 not bad as I was taking it easy (ceramics) and not revving much beyond 6500rpm, track conditions were exceptional. My previous best time when was on steel brakes so was pounding them was 1:23.60. :)

Later in the day when timing ceased a friend in an E46 M3 was lapping faster, but in fairness he was running full slicks which make quite a difference.

Having driven on all types of tyre now at Donnington you can expect:-

Decent Road tyre (Bridgestone, Michelin, Yokohama)
Semi Slick: 1-2s time reduction from road tyre
Full Slick: 2-4s time reduction from semi-slick


Full slicks transform grip levels, you would not believe it and its hard to make your brain compete that you really can turn in at such speed at get on full power so early and also brake so much later. Full slicks do however put a car under massive strain, so make sure the car is built to take it.
 
Housey said:
Going well now :)

Now, Oulton ;)
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The 911 was never supposed to be go on this day, it was meant for the M3, but M3 still in garage feeling sorry for itself.

Done Oulton in the 911 a couple of times now, both wet and dry, its great around there.

It was why I took the 911 and was why I was taking it easy, still fastest car there and posted a very smooth and easy 1:24.90, but track conditions were perfect with plenty of rubber down and lots of grip available. Was quite funny actually how slow the 911 made other cars look, impressive considering how easy I was taking her. :)

Just a shame it was not the M3 as conditions were perfect for hunting down a 1:20 lap time with a Donnington all to myself more or less. Plus as I've designed the M3 for it, I push that a lot harder! :D
 
Fr0dders said:
porsche prices for some models are absolutely mental at the minute.

The prices of 996 and 997 GT3s are through the roof, the GT3 RS even more so. People mocked Chris Harris for selling his 997 GT3 RS 4.0 for some 30k above the original price at the time, they are now going for well over double the original price and some people are asking for crazy for even normal 996 GT3s

look at this as an example

90k for a 996 GT3

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifi...he-911-996-gt3-------------------2000/2730087

150k for a 996 GT3 RS

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifi...ith-only-9030-miles/2748009?isexperiment=true
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I nearly purchased a 997.1 GT3 grey with ceramics just over a year ago at 47k, now I wished I had as can't get a 997.1 GT3 for under 60k now. :(


On a plus side the 997.1 decent spec Carrera S have also gone up in value, aerokit, ceramics, manual, PSE, PASM, X51, Chrono, are hovering back over 30k now:-

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifi...che-911-carrera-2-s-with-gt3-aero-kit/2783796

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifi...th-aerokit-cup-body/2760814?isexperiment=true

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifi...cation--low-mileage/2442141?isexperiment=true

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifi...en-similar-required/2193399?isexperiment=true

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifi...orsche-911-s-2dr-factory-cup-aero-kit/2035162

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifi...8-gt3-aero-kit-widebody-c4s-c-4s-2006/2090673

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifi...carrera-coupe-s-2dr/2745929?isexperiment=true



Pretty crazy cars with lesser specification than mine are all in the 32-40k price bracket.

At this rate next year I shall make a profit on a car I've owned for 4 years. :D
 
hurfdurf said:
How much does the 997 lose in convertable form in terms of handling and feel, I am loving the idea of 911 at the moment but want to keep the ability to put the top down and all the sources say handing and dynamics wise, if it's got no roof a Boxster is the way forward, but I'm not so keen on the Boxster at present.
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In 911 terms on Carrera on the gen1 the options which de-value them are as such:-
Convertible
Tiptronic
No Chrono
Basic seats, basic wheel

A car with the above spec around 2005 build with say 60k miles would be around 18k.


Two types of 911 buyer, person who knows nothing about cars and just wants a 911 because it is iconic or they just want to look good, as such they don't care about the cool optional extra stuff and just want stuff like nav and bum warmers and don't mind the junk tiptronic. As such these cars go for very little money.

However 997.1 06-08 built cars are selling for considerably more, uprated IMS, better SATNAV etc. Then options such as manual, chrono, PSE, extra leather all add to the value. Then the rarer performance spec'd models such as aerokit, ceramics, X51, Chrono, PASM are fetching big money now because of how much GT3's have gone up and as such those spec'd Carreras follow them.

Want a great drivers spec 911, gen1 25-35k, in gen2 50k+ or you need a GT3 which is around 65k.

Don't care about spec and just want a 911, some great bargains to be had, especially on tiptronic o'Fail editions. :D


P.S. As to handling feel, no idea, never driven one. But hey a 997 Carrera S with stock brakes, no aerokit, no X51, no chrono, no PSE is a considerable different driving experience to one with. Bear in mind a 997.1 can weigh as little as 1380kg in right specification, or as heavy as 1600kg with the wrong options, or convertible. That weight will impact handling!
 
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hurfdurf said:
Damn, here was me hoping you were going to say

"I drove the convertible version of mine and could barely tell the difference"
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For me 911 convertible just looks wrong.

Why not look at the Boxster Spyder, 1275kg and 330BHP, not a better sports car than it and they hold their value.

Or 981 Boxter S again another sublime sports car and both hit 60mph in around 4.5s and are incredibly easy to drive quick but fun.

Just 911 convertibles do nothing for me, looks wrong.
 
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