Porsche Owners Thread - If you own one or just like or hate them! :)

[Gibbo]

That's pretty bad, but not quite as my dads scenario! Was looking at a a 1960's 911 turbo for about 50k, then saw practically the same one selling for 90 odd the other dad. Ouch was the word...

Good for me if values keep going up.

 

[Gibbo]

Those ones are nice you have linked to gibbo. Sounds like a good time to buy if prices are are at least stable ?

Good time to buy if they kep going up, but who knows prices could always fall, but it seems at the moment a lot of cars are having an uplift in their values.

A good time to buy is when you want a new car and change. If I get 32k or 22k when I sell mine, I'd of course prefer 10k more but 911 ownership has being immense, expensive but it's by far the best car I've ever owned, nothing compares to the driving experience.

 

[Gibbo]

Yet people who have never been close to driving one will **** them off and talk about their drivers as if they are stupid and only bought it for the badge. All fool them.

Unfortunately many out there do buy them just for the badge and probably never drive them as intended.

Nothing beats coming of a roundabout or a tight corner and simply being able to bury the throttle and just be propelled into the distance, the traction from the engine layout is superb.

Try similar in the M3 and you'll just do a big slide.

 

[Gibbo]

Indeed. Though for real madness take a trip to the 'ring and you'll see a few of them being chucked around it on the limit, in amongst a bunch of other similarly valuable cars!

I admire such people, who buy these cars and actually drive them as they were intended. It is almost upsetting when such amazing cars are purchased to be garage queens or museum pieces.

 

[Gibbo]

Likewise, but you've got to have pretty deep pockets to be willing to risk it in the first place!

There is little risk if you drive within your limits and use common sense to be honest. Go to a big open circuit, get tuition and drive within your limits and/or cars limits.

Touch wood I've never caused damage to any of my cars, I've had a few offs where I knows it safe to go off so pushed on purpose to get a feel for how the car reacts beyond the limits.

I'd rather go off on track than the road, something I learned the hard way when I was younger.

 

[Gibbo]

Agreed, but 911 or CGT for your 340K?

For me that would actually be a hard choice, ,the RS 4.0 comes across to me as a far more usable everyday car. The CGT from my armchair expertise of them comes across as a much more delicate car.

But for 340k I'd rather buy a collection of great cars:-
997.2 GT3 - 80k
981 Cayman GTS - 55k
997.2 Turbo - 65k

140k change!

With that well:-
BMW E92 M3 DCT - 30k
CL63 AMG Merc or whatever they are - 40k
Dodge Challenger Hellcat - 50k


20k for fuel or squeeze a R35 GTR into the mix as well!

 

[Gibbo]

I just meant seemingly most people with cars at the exotic end of the market tend to hardly use them.

Maybe but I've being on track days where Porsche CGT's and Enzo's have being actually on track for plenty of time and driven too and from track.

Recent day in Spa the guy with the Enzo drove down and clocked 211mph on the way and was pulling 170mph on the straight bit of Spa. Insanely fast!

 

[Gibbo]

Are you implying that they get clocked?

What Housey probably means whereas they maybe don't drive to and from work everyday in their supercar they will get used on weekends, European tours, trips to tracks and events.

People assume they are never driven simply because they don't see them that often on the roads, when in reality your not going to see such cars on the road when there is so few about.

 

[Gibbo]

Finally got around to driving a Cayman GTS. Absolutely stunning piece of machinery. I love it. So very evocative and engaging, even at lower speeds.

This or an F-type of any kind? I'll take this, please.

Amazed how great that looks in red!
Those wheels though, YUCK!

If you want a true drivers experience a Cayman everytime let alone a GTS.

If you want noise, looks and straight line performance F-Type.


Though the Cayman in red looks so much more than a Cayman in red I am now seeing lots of Ferrari styling hints in that and no not just because its red.

 

[Gibbo]

I don't know about the uk but I knew one of the super car dealers out in Czech and a LOT of the super cars are clocked.

I hear that the same is going on in the uk.

Take a look a AT. How many 5 to 7 year old 911s have over 60k miles? But you see them being used everyday on the roads.

My 911 is this old, 53,000 miles. I got it with 25,000 on the clock 4 years ago.

So in 4 years I have just done over 25,000 miles.

 

[Gibbo]

My demo car, I had for the afternoon was in red and I wasn't so keen on it. So I've ordered mine in metallic white with the Carrera S wheels.

The only questions I have at the moment with my order are the PCCB and the Sports Chassis, so Ive requested a car with these on for my Silverstone day.

Get the sports chassis, supposed to be excellent and will be a rarer spec come re-sale may help with value.

PCCB if you can afford or plan on keeping for several years do it, no dust, better performance and they last life of car. If your gonna do lots of track work then don't bother with PCCB.

 

[Gibbo]

It is really as simple as this:-

Rooftop down motoring: Buy Boxster 3.4 S
Want as new as Porsche as you can buy with immense handling: Buy a Cayman S

If the above fits, 2009 to stretch to a 2009 or new model with newer DFI engine, you will have no worries though an OPC warranty is advisable still.

Willing to spend more money and want something a bit more challenging that you simply keep back to and can't get enough of, buy the 911. Worried about loosing money, buy a Cayman R or Boxster Spyder

 

[Gibbo]

This one seems to have better options, and I think it looks great in white. Slightly more expensive though.

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifi...-987-05-12/porsche-boxster-s-3-4-gen2/2842265

Boxsters look terrible in white, just look wrong. RSJ top place though!

I'm not up on Boxsters but can't see any signs of PASM or PSE on it?

Is a drop top a must? A Cayman or 911 is the better choice, unless you really love roof down motoring.

 

[Gibbo]

I can't afford the 997 I want, so it would have to be a 996, and they are too dated for me I think.

I would prefer a Boxster over a Cayman to be honest, just love having the roof down.

Fair enough.

So is 25k your limit?

 

[Gibbo]

Yes, upper limit. If I'm getting a Boxster/Cayman then it must be a 2009 model with the 3.4 DFI engine. Another reason against the 997 as I don't want to deal with bore scoring/IMS issues.

Although when I look at examples like this I all reasoning goes out of the window:

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifi...ra-997/porsche-911-997-3-8-carrera-2s/2886890

I'd buy that in a heart beat!

68,000 miles, IMS a likely none-event now, they typically fail in the 15,000-30,000 region, why I don't know check with a Porsche Specialist they can explain as to why!

Bore scoring, get a bore inspection, if all clean your safe if you keep it cool, change oil regular and run on quality fuel.

Scare mongering most of it, yes the problems are real but IMS I think one specialist quoted as being less than 1% of cars but gets blown out of proportion because of how successful the 996/997 was sales wise, so that 1% is several 100 cars.

Bore scoring effects them all due to flaw in cooling design, but get an inspection and you can seriously limit / delay the onset of bore scoring. Mine has X51 cooling mods, thermostat, change oil every 6000 miles and only Vpower, my engine is still unmarked from its last inspection at around 53,000 miles.

 

[Gibbo]

Well, buying something like that isn't possible right now. I'd have to sell both the Accord and the S2000 to be able to afford to buy that, and even then I really need to drive one and do a lot of homework.

Ever since I knew about the significance of sports cars I've wanted a 911, so maybe I should go with my gut and get one over a newer Boxster/Cayman. Hmm.

You'd not regret it, unless it blew up!

 

[Gibbo]

Yes, that's my worry. I'd really want an OPC warranty.

Porsche warranty is only for cars upto 10yrs old or 100,000 miles, your all out of luck mate.

 

[Gibbo]

What's the tiptronic like on the 997?

A reason they are cheaper than manuals, terrible as a drivers car.

 

[Gibbo]

Two new updates from Porsche today:

991 GTS

2016 - Cayman

Looks like mines out of date before it arrives.

That is the GT4 Cayman unless the revised versions come with rear cage.

 

[Gibbo]

You need to drive a Cayman GTS then.

He is right.
997 GTS is fantastic, it's like a road friendly GT3. As amazing as the 981 Cayman GTS is the 997 GTS would win it for me coming from a person who has driven both along with Cayman R, Boxster Spyder, 997.2 Turbo etc.

Though I am yet to drive a 991 C4S which is supposedly excellent drive with right spec.