Porsche Owners Thread - If you own one or just like or hate them! :)

Gibbo said:
Agreed, I'd never pay over MSRP for a new car, principles and all that.
Porsche are to blame though, because they allow it to happen, it is rife in the UK as well just dealers go about it differently, sell the car at MSRP to a trusted customer, said customer hands it back a few months later for a nice profit and then dealer sells its lightly used for a hansom profit as well, very clear what is happening but Porsche do nothing. There are several owners do it multiple times it seems so Porsche are also not then black listing a customer who does it. I think to an extent this is what Ferrari do but they are all guilty of it.

It is a shame because out of all the manufacturers out there I'd say now only Porsche, Mclaren, Lotus and Caterham are building brand new cars that are still about true driving feel. Most other manufacturers now just want to offer up their sporty cars but they drive nothing like a sports car, latest M2 is very evident of this, entire car felt rubbery in the way it drove, nothing was direct or involving, its an M car, very underwhelming. Problem is those left still making true drivers cars all have issues, Porsche is the flippers game, Mclaren is very expensive and limited model lineup, Lotus neither engine is particular great and Caterham well too extreme for 99.9% of customers.

This is the exact reason why so many old car values have rocketed, yes its an element of nostalgia and people who grew up always wanting one, but its also people realising the older stuff drives how you expect a car to drive but more importantly are fun to drive within the speed limits.

/rant over. :D
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I totally agree. Bought a new F80 M3 Comp a few years ago and it offered zero feedback or feel from the steering. It was a lovely car and a beautiful place to be, and fast as well - and I *tried* to like/love it - but ultimately the way it drove just didn't get me in the feelies, so it had to go. Same went for the Mk3 Focus RS I had before it. So I traded it in for a much cheaper and much slower '16 Subaru STI, which is a far, far better driver's car when it comes to communication, feel and feedback from the controls and chassis. To a certain degree, the STI provides slightly more in the way of feel and feedback than our 991 Turbo S. I have to give massive credit to Porsche for still engineering a car that sends info back to the driver through the steering rim and massively-tyred 4wd chassis (with electric steering to boot - so it *is* possible to imbue electric steering with feel, it's just that other manufacturers don't/can't prioritise this). We also have a '99 Evo 6 which has incredibly driver-focussed feedback and feel.
 
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I don't think I'd posted on here but after Le Mans I'd decided to sell my 991.1 GTS as we have a remortgage coming up in December and it was just too much money to have sat in a car when it could be used to keep our repayments the same. Car went off mid July to a specialist on SoR and sold last week.

In that time I got increasingly miserable without a fun car so we agreed that I could keep some money back to spend on a new "toy". Ideas started off with a £10k GT86 and escalated through a variety of cars and budgets until I put a hard stop at £25k and a list of...

Audi RS5
Toyota GT86
Audi RS4 Avant
Mustang V8
BMW M2 / M4
BMW Z4M Coupe
Honda S2000
Merc C63
Bentley Continental

&

Boxster / Cayman S (981)

I initially discounted the Boxster / Cayman as I wanted an S (knew the smaller engine wasn't for me) as when I looked on the Autotrader app there was nothing appealing in my budget. Turns out that selling on the App costs extra and when I discovered that I found there were a few higher mileage cars in the £26 - 28k price range which I thought was realistic for a cheeky offer for a motivated seller.

Ended up buying the first one I saw (after swearing never to buy another black car after my 911 (said the same after my Vantage)), enthusiast owner who'd clearly loved the car in great condition. It's missing a couple of options I'd prefer to have but at this end of the market I wasn't going to get my perfect car and even cars up to £31k mostly had less options than this

62 plate 981S
81,500 miles (though could genuinely put finger over odometer and I'd guess at half that)
Sports Chrono - Know it's not popular with everyone but I like it
Bose with Sat nav, Bluetooth and phone connection
14 Way electric seats
Wind deflector
FSH including a recent PDK service
Fresh tyres and refurbished wheels

It's missing cruise that I'm going to get retrofitted and Porsche Sports Exhaust which I am in two minds about, the car really needs more theatre but £2200 is a lot of money on a car of this value. It's also missing Climate Control, with manual aircon only which I find astounding it was an option, it was nearly a dealbreaker for me but I remembered my Evora had manual aircon and it really didn't bother me so much, as this is a convertible that will be used with roof down where possible it should quickly be forgotten, certainly was on the way home.

I think I've re-taught myself a valuable lesson in diminishing returns on cars, 1/3rd value of my 991.1 GTS and way more than 1/3rd as much car!!!!!

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Del Lardo said:
It's also missing Climate Control, with manual aircon only which I find astounding it was an option, it was nearly a dealbreaker for me but I remembered my Evora had manual aircon and it really didn't bother me so much, as this is a convertible that will be used with roof down where possible it should quickly be forgotten, certainly was on the way home.
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It was still an option on the 718 Boxster/Cayman. I think it still is... quite baffling really. Not the end of the world, especially on a convertible.
 
If someone had hypothetically sold their Westfield and was looking for a replacement classic car to use at weekends, how terrible an idea would a 996 be with a ~£18-20k budget? :o

More specifically one thats already had the IMS and RMS seals replaced as part of a full rebuild 5 years ago?

Or is a 986/987 a more sensible idea?
 
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ci_newman said:
If someone had hypothetically sold their Westfield and was looking for a replacement classic car to use at weekends, how terrible an idea would a 996 be with a ~£18-20k budget? :o

More specifically one thats already had the IMS and RMS seals replaced as part of a full rebuild 5 years ago?

Or is a 986/987 a more sensible idea?
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Sounds like you've found one, share the ad ;)
 
Maccy said:
Sounds like you've found one, share the ad ;)
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There's a couple up on 911UK at the moment:

911uk.com - Porsche Forum : 1998 C2 - Engine Rebuild, FSH, IMS/RMS All done

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911uk.com - Porsche Forum : Year 2000 996 Carrera 2 - Factory Aero

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Or a 987:

911uk.com - Porsche Forum : Boxster 3.2 S Manual Huge Spec 63000 Miles!

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ci_newman said:
If someone had hypothetically sold their Westfield and was looking for a replacement classic car to use at weekends, how terrible an idea would a 996 be with a ~£18-20k budget? :o

More specifically one thats already had the IMS and RMS seals replaced as part of a full rebuild 5 years ago?

Or is a 986/987 a more sensible idea?
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Sounds like a much warmer proposition than a Westfield! They’re getting on a bit so will need maintenance, but if you find one that’s had an engine overhaul it shouldn’t need much more than suspension work. Rust protection is pretty good on these as far as I’m aware.

996/986 is more down to what you prefer IMO as they share so much mechanically. 987 S is a fantastic car - would your budget stretch to a 3.4?

I wonder if the bottom of the Porsche market is going to fall out again in the next few months. I think some of the older “less desirable” cars like the 986 will become very affordable again. Might see a few 996 bargains reappearing too.
 
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tom_nieto said:
Sounds like a much warmer proposition than a Westfield! They’re getting on a bit so will need maintenance, but if you find one that’s had an engine overhaul it shouldn’t need much more than suspension work. Rust protection is pretty good on these as far as I’m aware.

996/986 is more down to what you prefer IMO as they share so much mechanically. 987 S is a fantastic car - would your budget stretch to a 3.4?

I wonder if the bottom of the Porsche market is going to fall out again in the next few months. I think some of the older “less desirable” cars like the 986 will become very affordable again. Might see a few 996 bargains reappearing too.
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The 987 S are considerably cheaper than a 996, e.g.

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From what I can tell though they are much more common and much more sporadic servicing. The biggest weakness appears to be the brake lines and bore scoring.

Almost every 987 car I look at has flags on the MOT for corroded brake lines, which is a £1500-£2000 job right?
 
ci_newman said:
If someone had hypothetically sold their Westfield and was looking for a replacement classic car to use at weekends, how terrible an idea would a 996 be with a ~£18-20k budget? :o

More specifically one thats already had the IMS and RMS seals replaced as part of a full rebuild 5 years ago?

Or is a 986/987 a more sensible idea?
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"IMS & RMS done" in an advert is a pet hate of mine, it's not as simple as that. Then secondly, the IMS isna shaft, that they clearly haven't replaced, they've just done the bearing and cover ;)

Who did the rebuild, as there's only one place I'd trust?

For 18-20k it had better be a decent one, with no -sky high miles.
 
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"IMS & RMS done" in an advert is a pet hate of mine, it's not as simple as that. Then secondly, the IMS isna shaft, that they clearly haven't replaced, they've just done the bearing and cover ;)

Who did the rebuild, as there's only one place I'd trust?

For 18-20k it had better be a decent one, with no -sky high miles.
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Rebuild was done by AMS, not Hartech, they they seem to be well regarded.

The specific car was linked in my post, rebuild was 15k miles / 5 years ago and listed at £17k.

Interestingly enough though, in the service this year the car had a total brake refresh too. New solid and flexi lines, pads and disks all round. Gearbox replaced in 2019 too

911uk.com - Porsche Forum : 1998 C2 - Engine Rebuild, FSH, IMS/RMS All done

911UK.com - UK Porsche 911 Resource Site & forum, Porsche Specialist, Insurance, parts, sales
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ci_newman said:
The 987 S are considerably cheaper than a 996, e.g.

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From what I can tell though they are much more common and much more sporadic servicing. The biggest weakness appears to be the brake lines and bore scoring.

Almost every 987 car I look at has flags on the MOT for corroded brake lines, which is a £1500-£2000 job right?
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I’m not a massive believer in the extended service intervals and it would be good to find an enthusiast owned 987 which has had yearly servicing. The 987 is much less prone to scoring than the 3.8 from the 997 by all accounts. Brake lines are an issue on the 997. It’s an engine out job for the rears I think - doesn’t this also affect the 996 as well? Not sure how they’re routed on the 987 being a mid engine layout.

I’d take a 996 over a 987, but that’s just my taste. I’m sure the 987 is a better car in almost every way apart from the styling. For the same outlay you’d presumably get a much newer 987 with a better history than a 996, although the service history on the 996 linked in the post above looks incredible!

EDIT - I didn’t realise 987.2 facelift 3.4 cars fall just below £20k. This would be a pretty hard to beat sports car at the money.

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