I've heard the same about AMS.
The car looks to have had a lot done and a coupled with a nice suite of refurbishment projects, should be an awesome thing to drive and own.
Plus the owner states sensible offers accepted!
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I've heard the same about AMS.
The car looks to have had a lot done and a coupled with a nice suite of refurbishment projects, should be an awesome thing to drive and own.
Plus the owner states sensible offers accepted!
I’m not a massive believer in the extended service intervals and it would be good to find an enthusiast owned 987 which has had yearly servicing. The 987 is much less prone to scoring than the 3.8 from the 997 by all accounts. Brake lines are an issue on the 997. It’s an engine out job for the rears I think - doesn’t this also affect the 996 as well? Not sure how they’re routed on the 987 being a mid engine layout.
I’d take a 996 over a 987, but that’s just my taste. I’m sure the 987 is a better car in almost every way apart from the styling. For the same outlay you’d presumably get a much newer 987 with a better history than a 996, although the service history on the 996 linked in the post above looks incredible!
EDIT - I didn’t realise 987.2 facelift 3.4 cars fall just below £20k. This would be a pretty hard to beat sports car at the money.
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Interesting / unexpected challenge - since I can insure the 996 under a classic policy it is 3/4x cheaper to insure than a 987.2 (the 987 came in at > £1k / year).
Partly that's because my Westfield policy was a classic policy too and thus didn't accrue NCD. The family car is insured in the wife's name with me as a named driver, I may need to find a specialist insurer who will take that into account if I want to proceed with a 987.2
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Just gift the car to your wife and get her to insure it 
I think the ongoing maintenance costs of the 996 will probably outweigh the increased insurance costs of the 987.2 won’t they? The latter is a decade younger. Happy to be proved wrong!
I think the ongoing maintenance costs of the 996 will probably outweigh the increased insurance costs of the 987.2 won’t they? The latter is a decade younger. Happy to be proved wrong!
I went along to see that 996 today, mechanically its been very looked after but something that concerns me is rust on the ends of the sill inside the wheel arch. It appears to only be surface rust / from a stonechip but I guess there's no actual way of determining the amount of rust in the sills without removing the arch liners and getting them inspected? From looking online, it seems the earlier cars are starting to suffer a lot from rot inside the sills.
He wouldn't budge below £16.5k too.
He wouldn't budge below £16.5k too.
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What does everyone think about this? As far as I can tell, its an early 987.2?
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That’ll be fantastic won’t it? My only
Criticism is that the roof doesn’t come off!
Criticism is that the roof doesn’t come off!
Only issue I can see is that both service and MOT are due in the next 2 months
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I’d see if the dealer will do an MOT prior to sale. If I’m honest, I’d get an independent inspection and budget for a major service as soon as you get the keys regardless of what the service book says.
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What does everyone think about this? As far as I can tell, its an early 987.2?
Looks like a good example but you'll want to be checking the coolant pipes (need to remove undertrays) and suspension components at that mileage, notably the coffin arms. If the coffin arms haven't been changed, I would be suspicious that they would need replacing due to the mileage and age.
There is also a complication with replacing the arms on the front - the bolt can become so seized that it can snap the mount on the subframe when you attempt to undo the bolt. For that reason, make sure you have a specialist do the swap as your average mechanic may not know and will unknowingly snap the subframe.
I highly recommend Cayman OC (https://www.caymanoc.com/forums/forum/29-987-cayman-2006-2012/) for 987 resources.
I have owned my 987R for nearly 7 years now and have pretty much seen it all. Feel free to drop me a line with any questions, though I would highly recommend this thread if you are on the lookout: https://www.caymanoc.com/forums/topic/2975-tidy-987s-for-sale-part-2/?page=2 | And this one for buying resources: https://www.caymanoc.com/forums/topic/2636-looking-to-buy-first-porsche-9871-or-9872-or-s/
Probably a wealth of info in this thread, and I'll be sure to search back through, but I'm looking for some high level info, if anyone can spare the time.
Dream: 992 C4S
Reality:
996 fried egg or gen 2, Porsche enthusiasts say these are on the rise price wise, but the 997.1 and 2 are better (gen 2 solving a lot of all the problems of 996 and 997). And the same vocal Porsche enthusiasts are very highly of the opinion these are finding traction in the "investment" segments. 996 is probably the one that least appeals. 997 for a decent low mileage (and critically for me, low owner) is circa £30k for good examples (C4S).
Curveball, 991.1 or 991.2 - seen some stunning examples of these, but they are at the plateau point in their values (£80k gets a real nice example) but not much less than the cheapest 992 C4S
Manual 997s are the sweet spot, but can't stop looking at 991.2.
What to be aware of, a anything particular spec wise that should be considered.
Dream: 992 C4S
Reality:
996 fried egg or gen 2, Porsche enthusiasts say these are on the rise price wise, but the 997.1 and 2 are better (gen 2 solving a lot of all the problems of 996 and 997). And the same vocal Porsche enthusiasts are very highly of the opinion these are finding traction in the "investment" segments. 996 is probably the one that least appeals. 997 for a decent low mileage (and critically for me, low owner) is circa £30k for good examples (C4S).
Curveball, 991.1 or 991.2 - seen some stunning examples of these, but they are at the plateau point in their values (£80k gets a real nice example) but not much less than the cheapest 992 C4S
Manual 997s are the sweet spot, but can't stop looking at 991.2.
What to be aware of, a anything particular spec wise that should be considered.
I'm sure it's going to financially ruin me, but my car shopping finally came to end last weekend.
The 2+2 eventually won out over a Boxster/Caymen. The kids fit comfortably in the back and since it's only going to be a weekend car, having the extra seats means I may actually use it.
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@ci_newman - That's a beaut! Looks really clean and the 996.1 is really growing on me (after preferring the 996.2 forever!). How are you finding it? Any more info on the spec?
@Django x2 - It's a personal choice and comes down to how much money you want to sink in and which car you actually prefer. There's absolutely no way I'd be driving a 997 if I could afford to get into a 991.2. Better in every way and the Litchfield tuning options are quite appealing! As far as 996 vs 997, I still love the look of the 996 C4S and wonder whether I should have gone for one over my 997.1. However, I went with a newer car with fewer owners and have loved every minute of my 997.1. The later generation isn't a quantum leap, but the looks are much less marmite, the interior is nicer and some of the reliability issues were solved by Porsche (IMS bearing post 2006). At the end of the day I figured if everything else was equal, why would I ever go with the older car? Don't buy a non-GT 911 as an investment. If you plan to drive it, consider it as a low depreciation option. The early water cooled cars value has dropped in the last few months after quite a number of years of strong prices. The issue is that the cheapest 996's are going to be very long in the tooth by now. Anyway, I could ramble forever about these, I love my 997.1 C2S convertible. It's all the car I'll ever need and is such an occasion to drive. Good luck with your search!
@Django x2 - It's a personal choice and comes down to how much money you want to sink in and which car you actually prefer. There's absolutely no way I'd be driving a 997 if I could afford to get into a 991.2. Better in every way and the Litchfield tuning options are quite appealing! As far as 996 vs 997, I still love the look of the 996 C4S and wonder whether I should have gone for one over my 997.1. However, I went with a newer car with fewer owners and have loved every minute of my 997.1. The later generation isn't a quantum leap, but the looks are much less marmite, the interior is nicer and some of the reliability issues were solved by Porsche (IMS bearing post 2006). At the end of the day I figured if everything else was equal, why would I ever go with the older car? Don't buy a non-GT 911 as an investment. If you plan to drive it, consider it as a low depreciation option. The early water cooled cars value has dropped in the last few months after quite a number of years of strong prices. The issue is that the cheapest 996's are going to be very long in the tooth by now. Anyway, I could ramble forever about these, I love my 997.1 C2S convertible. It's all the car I'll ever need and is such an occasion to drive. Good luck with your search!
Nice, enjoy! I've looked at these but am scared about having to buy a new engine...
I'm sure it's going to financially ruin me, but my car shopping finally came to end last weekend.
The 2+2 eventually won out over a Boxster/Caymen. The kids fit comfortably in the back and since it's only going to be a weekend car, having the extra seats means I may actually use it.
Me too, so I bought one that had already had an engine rebuild
Was that the one off 911uk you saw that had the AMS rebuild?
Nicely done and welcome to the fold.
Remember, for oil changes you should use Millers CFS NT+ 10w50 from now on, plus you need 2x5L bottles to cover the 8-8.5L change.
If you want to enhance the noise, then get a Milltek as it's the best sounding exhaust and is perfect for general use, with no ASBO drone issues.
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Was invited to Silverstone to do the Porsche Experience earlier this week.
Was a great day, with breakfast, lunch and afternoon tea.
Oh and of course some outrageously lovely machines.
Managed to get some time in a Cayman GTS, Panamera E Hybrid 4S, Macan GTS, 911 Carrera T and a Taycan.
Best of the bunch was the Cayman GTS by quite a long way. Exhilarating drive.
911 was a lovely piece of kit but it didn’t offer the same ferocity or edginess of the Cayman.
P.s. Taycan is hella boring.
Was a great day, with breakfast, lunch and afternoon tea.
Oh and of course some outrageously lovely machines.
Managed to get some time in a Cayman GTS, Panamera E Hybrid 4S, Macan GTS, 911 Carrera T and a Taycan.
Best of the bunch was the Cayman GTS by quite a long way. Exhilarating drive.
911 was a lovely piece of kit but it didn’t offer the same ferocity or edginess of the Cayman.
P.s. Taycan is hella boring.
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Was invited to Silverstone to do the Porsche Experience earlier this week.
Was a great day, with breakfast, lunch and afternoon tea.
Oh and of course some outrageously lovely machines.
Managed to get some time in a Cayman GTS, Panamera E Hybrid 4S, Macan GTS, 911 Carrera T and a Taycan.
Best of the bunch was the Cayman GTS by quite a long way. Exhilarating drive.
911 was a lovely piece of kit but it didn’t offer the same ferocity or edginess of the Cayman.
P.s. Taycan is hella boring.
Sounds like a fun day!! It was interesting to hear your thoughts that the Cayman was the better of the bunch; I have always come to the same conclusion. There were no N/A options when I last drove the 718 platform and I would be eager to have another go now that there are. My fear is that a test drive will push me over the edge to buying one!
I decided long ago that either the 718 GTS 4.0 or GT4 is going to be my next Porsche, but I keep telling myself that's not happening until they come down in price a touch more. I just can't stomach paying twice as much for the car that I already own to not get twice the car in return... Alas, the price/performance/enjoyment ratios all get out of shape at that £50k+ mark.
@ci_newman, congratulations on the purchase! I wish you many miles of happy motoring.
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That opinion would probably change if I drove a GT3 but you’d be paying double the money of a cayman.
The Macan and Panamera were both excellent cars too, and I could see them both being excellent daily’s.
I’d pick a 718 Spyder or Boxster GTS and probably the Panamera over just the GT3 every day of the week.
That being said, I’ve spent a decent amount of time in the 981 platform as well, and I’m not really sure if it would be worth the extra money to switch to the 718.
Thanks for this. Since posting, I've been through everything I can find on the various variants, options, etc. I've settled on a 991.2 GTS I just need to find one now with the spec I'm after. I can't decide between Carrera GTS and Carrera 4 GTS, being that the GTS is meant to be the poor mans GT3, RWD is perhaps better. All the GTS models got the wider body of the Carrera 4, so looks wise it's sorted. I'll have to see if the Carrera GTS came with 4 wheel steer (I know the Carrera 4 GTS does). Could also consider a Targa here as there seems to be more of them floating around. Maybe that's a bad thing
I'd take rear wheel steer over axle lift for example, but generally the GTS is a very well spec'd car without needing options.