Porsche Owners Thread - If you own one or just like or hate them! :)
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Gotta have paddles man!
As crazy as it sounds, I find the buttons so god damn boring, just nowhere near as engaging or fun as paddles.
Apparently not, effectively bypass pipes are doing exactly what pse does, bypassing the back box for some exhaust gasses. A common mod is either a 1.5", 2" or 2.5" bypass pipe. Loads and loads of people on 911uk have done it and there isn't really any complaints about droning. Also if you know a welder it can be done for a few beers.
I had to have my whole system off not long ago including the manifolds, I had stainless captive nuts put on in prep for a new system manifolds back some time this or next year. Manifolds really are not something you touch unless you absolutely have to on these things 11 bolts snapped taking mine off
My old boxster had short shift and was really quite notchy when cold. Googling "911 short shift kit notchy when cold" seems to throw up loads of similar stories.
You can just buy these pipes for 997.2 I believe and they are a 20 minute job, just bolt up I think. Gives more volume and 5-10BHP, a very popular low cost mod along with putting BMC filter in air box. Cats are still present and not removed!
997.1 bypass pipes is a big no no as it eleminates the cats resulting in loosing close to 40lb/ft sub 4000rpm, but gaining around 40BHP above 5000RPM and about 20BHP peak. Also crazy and very ricer loud, I know I tried it and within two weeks put my cats back in.
Bypass pipes? I'm getting visions of a tediously Corsa-esque drone at motorway speeds if it's always on. Should I?
OPC Newcastle told me I can't retrofit PSE to my Boxster as it wasn't available on the early 987.
Also, what's the consensus on a short shift kit? Gibbo, yours seems to have everything ever, have you got one / looked into it?
SSK is excellent and a must!
However I've got a gen2 GT3 shifter in mine as they use metal instead of plastic bushings, so like a rifle bolt action, but throw length is unchanged!
Throw length is unchanged? Then what's the point?
I should explain I've no clue what I'm talking about here, I just know that fitting a £50 M Sport stubby gearknob to my old Z4 made a world of difference & was looking to see if I could replicate that with my Boxster.
Metal bushings sounds good, I've just had to replace mine as the gear linkage failed. Really ought to have got this done at the same time....
Have you got any before / after pics of yours?
The metal bushes make it feel a lot more mechanical and precise, rifle bolt action as such, I love it!
SSK is a shorter throw but is plastic bushes so not quite as rifle bolt precise feeling but better than stock.
Pics, they all look identical it is not the gear stick that is being changed but the actual shifter assembly which cannot be seen unless you remove the cars trim.
Buy them, bargain!
Then drop me an email when your ready to buy and I'll give you my contact at Porsche who can tell you what else you need and sell it you with a discount.
The bypass pipes for 997.2 is these:-
http://www.awe-tuning.com/awe-997-2-crossover
But an good exhaust fabricator will be able to make you some up for sub £300, well worth it for the noise and small gains.
The wife would kill me, I have just finished the doing the following trip:
London - Thailand - singapore - London - Chicago - Toronto - Chicago - Las Vegas - London - Dubai - Chennai - Ahmedabad - Bomaby - London
That has kept me away form home for 3 months, Im off to mobile world congress in Barcelona a couple of weeks and then Prague. I just hope I have a wife when I get back
So this is what he has offered for £300 plus an extra £100 for the tips
Absolute bargain!
If in the end you don't use them you could probably sell them on for nearly double.
Porsche will allow you to do anything that was designed for your model from the factory or tech equipment. So PSE, X51 performance package or parts of it etc.
Stuff like BMC filters, just remove and put stock back in when visiting dealer and same for the pipes to give more noise and power, very easy to fit and remove.
If your gonna do track days get GT3 brake cooling ducts, OPC won't care about them and they cool your brakes better.
Did my 8th track day today on the SuperSports and there is still 4mm+ left all round, bloody amazing tyre life considering they've done over 10,000 road miles too!
Car performed incredible on track too, out of 90ish cars only two ever passed me, an M3 stripped and on full slicks and a bonkers fast Westfield/Caterham thing, it was even immense on the straights.
The combination of moving front camber upto -2.0 degrees and fitting the 1mm thicker rear roll bar has reduced the understeer to minimal, now it's no longer annoying as it once was. If I could locate the rear 21.7mm ARB I think it would be exactly where I want the car in all conditions.
I'm converting to steel, gonna put the PCCB's in storage whilst they are still pristine. Set Porsche Turbo disc all round already ordered from OPC.
My car has PCCB which is bigger calipers, bigger disc but they are ceramic so about £2500 per disc minimum, for road use they'll last the life of the car, but track use can kill them. Turbo disc are the right fit and size and cost 20x less per set, braking performance will be similar. Ceramics are dust free and weigh far less, but I'm gonna try the steels with ceramic pads and see how they go.
Hi m8
Guys who do no track work are seeing 30k+ miles from a set on 911's.
Its not just the longest lasting tyre I've ever experienced but also the best performance road tyre by absolute miles, nothing comes close to the wet/dry grip they offer, but the most important factor the confidence and feedback they offer.
Pricing wise, they are similar to other premium tyres, check Camskill, lovetyres etc. etc.
Ah if your under OPC warranty, you need to have a quiet chat with your OPC to see if they will let you fit them as they are not N-Spec approved.
The Bridgestones in comparison though are nowhere near as good.
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Good on ya, something I shall certainly request in the Summer when I find a reason for my car to go in.
Booked my car in for a service today, requested a 991, they said yes a C2S should be free on that day, I'll confirm with my sales manager this afternoon.
Going to be an expensive day of Petrol burning
Good on ya, something I shall certainly request in the Summer when I find a reason for my car to go in.
A set of PCCB disc would cost me 10k+ all round and they help improve the value of the car. If I keep doing track days, I will kill them and I don't fancy the 10k+ cost to replace them.
Steel disc are approx £600 a set and actually last longer for track use as they can take the heat punishment a lot better.
PCCB upgrade on a C2S means disc go from 330mm upto 350mm all round. Front calipers increase from 4 piston to 6 piston and rear calipers from 2 piston upto 4 piston.
So as I like the extra stopping power of the larger calipers which are same as 911 Turbo ones, I can just fit steel 997 turbo disc which will work fine and I can put my ceramics aside and put back on the car when I decide to sell.
I'd get why you'd do it if the ceramics were already knackered, but are PCCBs on a ~30k C2S really going to add that much value, or are they just going to be a bonus feature for whoever buys the car from you?
If you could realise 2-3k to spend on tyres & track days by selling PCCBs and converting to 911 Turbo steelies I'd get it, but denying yourself PCCB for the benefit of the next buyer is masochism imo...
Steels are better than ceramics for track work? I thought the whole point of ceramics were that they didn't fade on track?
Steels don't fade on track either, with the right pad and cooling of course.
Fact is when/if I come to buy a 997.2 GT3 or Turbo, a must have option for me will be PCCB, even if I pull it off. So yes its a bonus but it could be the difference between a car selling and not.
Fact is why waste a set of ceramics, when on track they provide no real benefit and because its always in the back of my head about them I am not braking as hard or as late as I could be, due to fear of ruining them.
Advantage of ceramics is no/little dust, not sure if this is down to the pad or disc, if its pad then I could be retaining this as I am going to try using ceramic pads with steel disc, supposedly it works.
Fade free, ceramics are indeed fade free, or have been for me, but steels can be fade free too, just getting the right pads/disc.
The main advantage of ceramics is on a road car they will last the life of the car or pretty much at least 100,000 miles. They are pretty much dust/noise free and of course they reduce the unsprung mass by approx 3-4kg per corner.
Hey I might fit steels and hate it, or I might love the added confidence on track of them and not be in fear of hurting them.
Oh and my final video:-
I mean this with the greatest of respect, but you're *only* running a C2S. It's a cracking car, and a cracking example, but it's probably valued at ~30k (this shouldn't read snobbishly as I'm only running a Boxster at like a third of the value of yours).
I take your point, but there are certain options that feature often enough on a ~£70k car, and a more focused drivers car at that (given that you can't yet ruin a GT3 with PDK (RAR!), that you wouldn't be able to expect on a ~£30k car.
You sell enough everyman graphics cards to know that everyman sells at a everyman price. You might not get an uberprice, but it'll still sell...
Long story short, imo it'd be reasonable to expect that a well specced car would be attract a little extra at resale time, but I'd be suprised if you could sell a PCCB'd C2S for within 4 figures of a C2S running steelie C2S brakes, having sold the PCCBs seperately...
Enough of the fence sitting. Man up and enjoy now what you say you'll demand later...
It's not about re-sell price, but resale desirability. It's also options which make the 911, a bog standard C2S, is great but does not sound as good, stop as well or go as quick. A lot of people buy 911's on specification and quality of example. As the options can make such a big difference to the way they look, drive and sound.
Of course the other option is I could pull of the ceramics and when it came to selling also remove the calipers and fit the regular calipers, meaning I'd have a full PCCB kit which resell for circa 5-6k second hand. So about 3-4k after expense of converting back to normal.
When I was buying my car must have options was sport chrono, aerokit and PSE. Then PCCB and X51 with an option I'd like. My car had PCCB but no PSE so I retrofitted that and have added parts of the X51 kit.
No idea what you mean by stuff featuring on a 70k and not a 30k car, again it's all down to options.
For me if I go GT3 it has to be one with buckets and no cage, ideally with PCCB. A comfort Spec one for me is a no go.
People shop on spec.
Plus if I ruined my ceramics and did not buy more, I'd have to convert the car completely to stock brakes if I wanted to sell it with a Porsche warranty and pretty much every yellow 911 built has PCCB No doubt due to the yellow calipers and is an expectation of the yellow ones as they are extremely rare and normally are top spec cars, the yellow ones right now are even fetching premiums due to the colour.
GT3 has larger 380mm front disc to help with cooling along with better cooling, seems to help them a lot.
Not sure if they have different pads/calipers though.
I did ask but nothing came up for my car. Need to investigate what pads GT3 uses and if they'd fit in my calipers, could be an option.
I mean no offense...
I disagree that people shop on spec. Enthusiasts shop on spec, but people shop on badge, age, mileage, gearbox, then spec (all imo of course).
You say you think you'd see £3-4k after reverting to complpetely stock brakes. Do you think your car would fetch £3-4k more for having PCCB fitted than if it only had completely stock brakes?
All I mean by the 70k/30k thing is that there are features like PCCB that are far more common on 70k Gen2 GT3s than they are on 30k C2S', ie when shopping for GT3s you can legitimately filter on PCCB, but that's less plausble when shopping for a C2S.
All I'm trying to say (badly) is that were it me, I'd either realise the 3-4k in converting and selling, or fully use the PCCB until they failed, then replace with steel...
I think a lot of people who buy a cooking C2S or GT3 are an enthusiast though, like myself we want the car for the way it drives, not the badge. Your everyday punter don't buy a bright yellow 911
I think absolute maximum value PCCB adds to a car is maybe 2k, but it's more about the complete package, my car would look naff with smaller red calipers and disc behind the wheels, as such not as desirable.
Look on PH and 911 uk there are people hunting down yellow 911's and they have a desirable spec in mind and are willing to pay the price to get that perfect spec. Perfect spec is aero, chrono, X51, PCCB and adaptive sports seats and people pay top whack for such cars because they are so rare.
So it's a hard call my car has close to perfect spec and that could mean a buyer who wants it will pay top whack for it or like you say it could bring more money to sell the PCCB separately.