Porsche Owners Thread - If you own one or just like or hate them! :)

Simon said:
Will be interesting how steels compare. I'd be thinking the same if you Gibbo.
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Glad someone gets my logic. :)

Suspect the added weight will be a negative, except for maybe marginally heavier steering. Of course dust will be annoying unless of course it's purely down to pads but I doubt that otherwise everyone would run ceramic pads.

GT3 guys say they better feel and modulation over ceramics and are better in the wet, yet some swear by them.

Gonna fit them in March/April along with the track rubber. Think the disc are approx 3.5kg heavier per corner, but track rubber is just over a kilo lighter per corner so helps a little.

If the ceramic pads are crud with steel disc then GT3 guys swear by pagid RS29's :)
 
Peerzy said:
I'll expect mine soon then, I went to the Boxster launch at OPC Guildford. Got some free Porsche mugs as well :p
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I got one, for my local OPC, dunno if I shall bother going or not though, just a new Boxster with a roof which I had the joy of driving for a couple of days. :D
 
Im booked onto Porsche RS Day at Outlon Park 8th March, got free tuition and booked an additional tuition too.

Looking forward to it, especially at seeing some mental GT3's on track too. :D
 
arcamalpha said:
Not interested in the Cayman much, but am interested to see the race cars and whoever the guest speaker might be.
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Quite the opposite for me, could be my next car, but I don't plan to change for another yearish, which could mean a used 991 or gen2 GT3 would be around the 40-50k mark and well as good as the new Cayman will be think I'd rather a 991 or gen2 GT3. Even GT2's could be circa 50k in a year or so, certainly gen1's already are!
 
nucastle said:
Why anyone would want to buy a track focused, teeth rattling, sharp and tramline prone GTx 911 to drive on Britains roads is beyond me.

It's almost a little 'mid life crisis' which the Porsche community could do with a little less of - Owners with cars set up for a track they visit all of about 2-3 times a year (at best).

There seems to be an amazing obsession these days with 'track' performance, which by and large does not even extend to the drivers daring to actually race their cars properly - rather them driving neatly around without getting close to each other, let alone touching - perish the thought!
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A modern 911 / GT3 setup for the odd track day does not suffer from any teeth rattling, sharp and tramline prone like you speak of though.

My Carrera has a geo on it which is beyond that of a GT3, its absolutely lovely to drive on the road. A GT3 is also fine on the road, even with a bit of geo.

A Carrera (with GT3 parts) or a GT3 can run as much as -2.5 negative front camber and -2.2 negative rear camber with neutral toe or toe in and lots of caster on the road and not have the issues you speak off.

People who use GT3's as primarily track only vehicles will run around -3.5 front negative camber and around -3.0 rear camber and have full slicks. They might even have mild toe out on the front, these would then exihibit the problems you speak off, but these are full time track machines.

But a 911 / GT3 is sublime on the track with a moderate geo and equally epic on the road without the issues you speak of. :)
 
Jonnycoupe said:
What on earth has toe and camber selection got to do with spring rates that effect the ride control/comfort balance?
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Quite a lot.

The guys question was about a GT3 / 911 setup for track work with a geo on the car.

A car setup with lots of toe out would be extremely darty and very alive on the road, so in answer to your question it has a lot to do with how the car would drive on the road, if setup exclusively for serious track work only or with the wrong geo settings.

Having driven a GT3 that was setup far to aggressively for the road due to extreme camber and toe selection if made it a real handful on the road, so in answer to your question it has quite an effect on the ride control and its not so comfortable if your fearing for your life holding on for grim death due to a poor geo or one far to extreme for road use.

My point was a GT3 / 911 can have a good road and track setup and still be great on the road without thinking its going to try and kill you everytime you take the car out.
 
Jonnycoupe said:
No it wont; and that wasn't his question. I can see the points he's making, can you? Isn't Housey conclusion of a GT3 similar to that for daily use and why he regards the cross country ability of his RS4 so well?

Stiff springs still make a car ride harder than the non 'extreme' variants.

End of.
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He mentioned tramlining, which has a lot to do with the geo setup on the car. Housey had an extreme track setup on his car which caused it to tramline heavily, he later adjusted it which calmed it down a lot. Also since Housey's 996 GT3, the 997 has come on leaps and bounds in the dampening making them extremely capable on a cross country track, but saying that I've been out with guys with 996 GT3's who have not had issues with cross country ability. Its all about the setup of these cars which is down to both geo and suspension.

But a GT3 on the road is not teeth rattling at all as the OP seemed to think, GT3 have PASM so with suspension in none sport mode they are pretty decent even on the worse of UK roads.

So yes in regards to tramlining and the car trying to find every rut and rivot the road, the geo can effect this quite a bit and the OP mentioned tramlining which is not pleasurable at all.

The teeth jarring ride is down to suspension, but GT3's in my experience are certainly not teeth jarring and the 997.2's could even be considering verging onto quite comfortable the dampening is that good.

Arcamalpha who owns a gen2 GT3 has even replied saying they are anything but teeth jarring and can be adjusted to suit.
 
spoonz said:
Afternoon chaps,

Been reading with interest as I'm currently on the hunt for some Pork. After owning a E92 M3 and a CSL the time has come to finally fulfil the 30 year old dream and buy a 911.

My ultimate goal is a 997.2 GT3, alas I don't have the budget at the moment. I could save for a little longer and stretch to a 997.1 GT3, however I want some thing sooner.

My thoughts are turning to a 997.1, possibly .2 C2S with as raw a spec as possible to get some where even near a GT3 experience.

my thoughts are

PSE
Sports Chrono
And (rare as hens teeth) Sports Suspension as a nice to have.

Any other options? What are C2S owners thoughts?

I'm off to Porsche next week to drive a Boxster Spyder, Cayman R and a new Boxster S but, barring one of those blowing my socks off, I still think ill be after a 911 of some sort.
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The rawest spec of C2S would be one with the following or lack off:-
Aero kit
Sports Chrono
PSE (though stock exhaust is lighter, so maybe stock with gundo mod)
X51 Powerpack
Sports suspension & LSD (further 10mm lower than PASM)
PCCB brakes
Carrera classic or Turbo wheels (lightest models)
No sunroof
Basic seats or retrofit GT2/GT3 seats

The above would keep the weight in the 1350-1400kg range with some fuel and 380bhp. Some high flow cats and filters would see you close to 400 horses.

Then add some GT3 front arms, arbs and get a GT3 geo or more aggressive put on the car and you'd have a very similar performing car to a GT3, just not a GT3 but still very good. :)

The Cayman R is very impressive, particular in the dry, but in the wet is a little to firm for it's own good, the Spyder will blow you away it's better than the Cayman R, so just if you can put up with the roof. However for myself a sorted C2S or GT3 every time. :)
 
Kingy said:
Word to the wise, if by sports suspension you mean PASM, that's rare as hen's beaks (not teeth) on the C2S... :)
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He does not.

Carrera C2 could be optioned with PASM which drops ride height 10mm and driver could select none sport or sport mode.

C2S got PASM by default, but there was an option for sports suspension and LSD. This dropped ride height a further 10mm and the firmness is between the none sport and sport mode of PASM and of course you get the LSD.

Very few cars were optioned with it, infact I think X51 power pack option was more popular.
 
spoonz said:
There are two cracking ones in the network at mo. One comfort with fatboy seats and one comfort with buckets. Seem good value but I don't think I have the brass to stretch to it. Guess I need to go chat with them

Found a 2008 997.1 C2S with x51, Chrono, PCCB, Sports Suspension, PSE, PCM. Very high spec, I expect rare, and perfect for me with 40k miles. Just concerned about life of PCCB rotors at a rumoured £20k replacement cost. Anyone ideas on life expectancy? And also can I get an OPC warranty on a car sourced elsewhere?

EDIT: just checked the price to replace with steels and about a grand, that is if the calipers are same.
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Got a link to the car you've found?

PCCB will last over 100k+ miles if your not tracking car, the 996 GT3 for sale at moment with 185,000 miles is still on it's original PCCB disc and they are the older gen1 type disc, 997 cars have gen2 disc.

To convert to steel all you need to buy is 997 turbo steel disc which cost sub £800 from OPC for entire set and that's all you need. :)

As to warranty, two options, ask the seller to put a warranty on the car for you and pay the extra or after 90 days of ownership you can take it to an OPC for a 111 point check and then purchase a warranty.


Do it! :D
 
arcamalpha said:
There are some very decent options available on the new Cayman. However, that means a bucket-seated car with all the right sport options is £65k!
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Yep I'd want 19" wheels, buckets, PSE, PCCB, PASM, manual, sports chrono and anything else to decrease weight and make it faster. Only thing I'd be unsure about would be Porsche vector control stuff as even though it does improve lap times some say it takes away involvement and Porsche feel.

Still I buy on spec rather than age/mileage as the spec can change how a Porka drives. :)
 
arcamalpha said:
I configured exactly the same plus a few creature comforts:
- dimming mirrors
- cruise
- alcantara steering wheel
- tyre pressure monitoring
- PDK

I didn't realise the PTV had an impact on feel - I thought it was just a normal locking diff? I've not driven one to find out yet.
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So are they already on the configurator?

I'd also want the same options as you but not sure on PDK it's good but it removes the involvement and the manual boxes are so good its a shame not to have.
 
spoonz said:
I'm not fussed about aero, and colour I can give or take. I don't like black at all, but it wouldn't stop me buying it if as spec spot on, that is if condition stacks up.

I read up on 111 point check and seems worthless other than being able to get warranty. There is a well regarding pork specialist in Knutsford, just down road from dealer, who does PPI's, so think I would use them. I'd do a 111 after so could warrant I reckon.

Ill give the a call and go see it, no mention of owners on there.
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If you mean Sports and Classic, then yes and ask for Mike, he's the owner and a friend of mine, top bloke, he also does geos too.

If you get it we shall have to meet up and I can drool over your carbon intake and interior bits. ;)
 
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