Possible New Newcastle Boss!

Carlos_S · 27 Apr 2006 at 13:48

EasyG said:
yes it has to be a big name lol.

despite what ppl think on here we ARE a big name club.

Why must it be a big name? I agree with Von, I too will be fully behind Roeder. It's like I've said before, it's a risk, but sometimes you have to let managers develop.

Take Wenger, Mourinho and Ferguson as examples. Wenger was hardly a big name when he came to Arsenal and look what he's done. Mourinho was only an assistant manager/coach before he took over at at Benfica (I think) then he went onto bigger and better things at Porto and Chelsea. I'm not entirely sure on Ferguson as I'm a little to young to remember, but I don't think he was a big name when he took over and he evern stuggled in the first few years.

As for selling players I can't see the point in selling Boumsong and Luque, we won't get a fraction of what we paid for them and our squad will be just as thin as it is now. I think we should keep them and sign replacements for them otherwise we will be back to square one.

Carlos_S · 27 Apr 2006 at 13:53

lemonkettaz said:
imo i dont think owen will go.... i think he will still be playing for us next season

Agreed. If Owen only came here for the money, then why would he leave. :confused:

I think we'll sign a decent defender and a decent partner for Owen and he will stay.

semi-pro waster · 27 Apr 2006 at 14:32

Carlos_S said:
I'm not entirely sure on Ferguson as I'm a little to young to remember, but I don't think he was a big name when he took over and he evern stuggled in the first few years.

Ferguson is one of the last managers to have broken the Old Firm's monopoly over the Scottish Premier Division and that was with a 'provincial' club(Aberdeen) so he can hardly have been said to be unheralded. In fact there have only been 4 occasions within the past 30 years that the title has not headed to either Parkhead or Ibrox which makes it a fairly notable achievement. However he wasn't immediately successful in England you are correct.

If memory serves Wenger also lead a championship winning team in France with Monaco and I think he may also have won the J League so while he wasn't a big name in the UK he did have a fair track record. Again from memory which is a bit sketchy I think he had was a Clarefontaine and had links to the French national team. Despite these points I do however agree that new managers deserve a chance and the pressure to be immediately successful is much worse than ever before.

For Newcastle I think that Martin O'Neill would have been the best appointment providing he got entirely free reign however since that looks unlikely and there is always the threat of just being a 'bench-warmer' for Shearer whenever he wants to move into management which wouldn't suit O'Neill at all. Given the remaining options I reckon Roeder deserves his chance although I do have my doubts about his capabilities especially as teams often seem to have a bit of a boost when a temporary manager is appointed which tends to fade.

Carlos_S · 27 Apr 2006 at 16:38

semi-pro waster said:
Ferguson is one of the last managers to have broken the Old Firm's monopoly over the Scottish Premier Division and that was with a 'provincial' club(Aberdeen) so he can hardly have been said to be unheralded. In fact there have only been 4 occasions within the past 30 years that the title has not headed to either Parkhead or Ibrox which makes it a fairly notable achievement. However he wasn't immediately successful in England you are correct.

If memory serves Wenger also lead a championship winning team in France with Monaco and I think he may also have won the J League so while he wasn't a big name in the UK he did have a fair track record. Again from memory which is a bit sketchy I think he had was a Clarefontaine and had links to the French national team. Despite these points I do however agree that new managers deserve a chance and the pressure to be immediately successful is much worse than ever before.

For Newcastle I think that Martin O'Neill would have been the best appointment providing he got entirely free reign however since that looks unlikely and there is always the threat of just being a 'bench-warmer' for Shearer whenever he wants to move into management which wouldn't suit O'Neill at all. Given the remaining options I reckon Roeder deserves his chance although I do have my doubts about his capabilities especially as teams often seem to have a bit of a boost when a temporary manager is appointed which tends to fade.

As I said I'm not sure of all the facts on Ferguson because it was so long ago.

I think the "honeymoon period" with Roeder ended with those 4 defeats in a row and now we are winning again. The team always had potential and with the pretty bad state the Premiership is in at the moment, you only need a few good players and you're bordering on Europe.

5ingh · 16 May 2006 at 11:05

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/4770157.stm

roeder it is

Davey_Pitch · 16 May 2006 at 11:07

Mr Singh said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/4770157.stm

roeder it is

Quite right as well, he's done a good job for Newcastle and I think he's earned the chance to see if he can take them forward next season.

Vandle · 16 May 2006 at 11:21

"One thing is for certain: we have a long list of candidates of the highest calibre to select from."
Freddy Shepherd - March 2006

EasyG · 16 May 2006 at 12:17

we shoulda got capello from juve if he left this summer

Vandle · 16 May 2006 at 13:20

EasyG said:
we shoulda got capello from juve if he left this summer

Easy option taken by Freddy.
Glenn is nice bloke and has done a great job so far - good luck to him.
He's Freddys fall guy and once again is hiding behind Shearers popularity.
He paid massive compo to get Souness in , massive compo to him and his idiotic cronies to get them out as well as wasting millions on rubbish players.

I cant see Roeder having much to spend and finishing in the top 6 next season will be very difficult.

Meanwhile Shepherd gets off scot free again by appointing the caretaker and boasting on the front of the chronicle about statues for Shearer in the wake of all the emotion from thursday night.

ballistic · 16 May 2006 at 13:21

roeder is a very big name - HAHAHAHA

look I admit he's done a good job so far, but lets look at his record:
Gillingham - finished second from bottom
Watford - struggled near bottom, got sacked
West Ham - was crap, got sacked

Souness' record is great compared to this guy

Vandle · 16 May 2006 at 13:43

ballistic said:
roeder is a very big name - HAHAHAHA

look I admit he's done a good job so far, but lets look at his record:
Gillingham - finished second from bottom
Watford - struggled near bottom, got sacked
West Ham - was crap, got sacked

Souness' record is great compared to this guy

Could have been worse , he could have been born a mackem.

lemonkettaz · 16 May 2006 at 13:47

well im a lot happier than when we got souness....

but im obviously left feeling a bit hmmm... a very big anti climax... (like the england situation really)

but im left with more hope due to how roeder and the team did since roeder was put in place in feb.

my only real concern is the transfer window.... wonder how the team is going to be shaped for next season

deSade · 16 May 2006 at 17:31

ballistic said:
roeder is a very big name - HAHAHAHA

look I admit he's done a good job so far, but lets look at his record:
Gillingham - finished second from bottom
Watford - struggled near bottom, got sacked
West Ham - was crap, got sacked

Souness' record is great compared to this guy

I think you've got to look at the fact that 'big' name managers haven't exactly done much for Newcastle over recent years anyway.

lemonkettaz · 16 May 2006 at 17:37

we need stability more than anything at the club.

maybe the big name wasnt what we needed... what.. a big name manager to leave in 2 or 3seasons anyway..

at least if roeder does well he isnt likely to go when is contract is up.. he is someone that can stay for years... provided all goes well.

but we have such high standards.. so its 50/50...

its a shame top6 and a good run in some cups is the very least we expect. ..

who knows whats going to happen... we will see

[DOD]Asprilla · 16 May 2006 at 19:42

semi-pro waster said:
For Newcastle I think that Martin O'Neill would have been the best appointment..

O'Neill apparently wants part-time hours for his next role so that he can continue to look after his wife. If he was avaialble properly then Charlton and Boro would also be in for him, but they aren't.

As for Roeder, he can't do any worse then we've had recently and I'm prepared to look on the bright side at the moment.

Doonhamer · 16 May 2006 at 20:07

Newcastle got as far as drafting a contract for Martin O'Neill but it seems his wife has taken a turn for the worse so he dropped out.

Davey_Pitch · 16 May 2006 at 20:50

ballistic said:
roeder is a very big name - HAHAHAHA

look I admit he's done a good job so far, but lets look at his record:
Gillingham - finished second from bottom
Watford - struggled near bottom, got sacked
West Ham - was crap, got sacked

Souness' record is great compared to this guy

Besides win a few trophies in Scotland where a blind monkey could probaby have done the same (considering Rangers were the dominant team at the time), what exactly has Souness done besides kill a good Liverpool, turn Blackburn into a team of thugs, and manage to put a very talented Newcastle team in the bottom half of the table?

ballistic · 16 May 2006 at 20:52

Davey_Pitch said:
Besides win a few trophies in Scotland where a blind monkey could probaby have done the same (considering Rangers were the dominant team at the time), what exactly has Souness done besides kill a good Liverpool, turn Blackburn into a team of thugs, and manage to put a very talented Newcastle team in the bottom half of the table?

lol not much, but at least he didn't get 3 teams relegated

vanpeebles · 16 May 2006 at 21:01

Vandle said:
Easy option taken by Freddy.
Glenn is nice bloke and has done a great job so far - good luck to him.
He's Freddys fall guy and once again is hiding behind Shearers popularity.
He paid massive compo to get Souness in , massive compo to him and his idiotic cronies to get them out as well as wasting millions on rubbish players.

I cant see Roeder having much to spend and finishing in the top 6 next season will be very difficult.

Meanwhile Shepherd gets off scot free again by appointing the caretaker and boasting on the front of the chronicle about statues for Shearer in the wake of all the emotion from thursday night.

vandle tells it how it is, as always

atpbx · 16 May 2006 at 21:01

Roeder to be sacked by Christmas.