Possible Radeon 390X / 390 and 380X Spec / Benchmark (do not hotlink images!!!!!!)

[Boomstick777]

The 390X being a 290X can't ever be span positively Boom lol. Not that it matters, because there's no way on hell that's the case. But that's my point, AMD should perhaps reassess the situation, given we're 9 days off, just give official specs, that's it.

Yeah I don't think you read my posts sometimes. I was agreeing with you.

Agreed, stuff like this should be addressed. I get the silence on new flagship tech being held back for big E3 launch, but being silent on this just makes me think these are straight up rebrands. Weakens the line up in most peoples eyes.

If the price is good though an 8GB 290X / 390X might still be good, in the face of the GTX 970 3.5GB +0.5GB etc, but still another rebrand... Meh..

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Regarding price though, if the 390X 8GB came in at £250 VS a GTX 970 3.5GB + 0.5GB it might have a place.

Still rebranding after nearly two years = Meh

Well if that xfx card turns out to be legit looks like wccftech got a legit leak back in April of it! Shows these have been in the pipeline for awhile

http://wccftech.com/xfx-radeon-r9-390-double-dissipation-allegedly-pictured/

Indeed, all they had to do is swap the stickers though. Technically these 390X's have been around since 2013

 

[Boomstick777]

Probably has to say that to appease the Monopoly commission

Haha, very true mate

 

[Boomstick777]

 

[Boomstick777]

But this is a bit difference if it's being the highest tier card type thing?
When the 7970 was rebranded, it was calling the 280X, with two cards above it.

HD 7970 > 280X: >290(Cut) >290X (Full)




R9 290X > 390X: > Fiji (Cut) > Fiji (Full)


Same thing happening this time. Pricing will determine if they are good value or not.

 

[Boomstick777]

It is looking increasingly like a straight-up rebrand tbh. I had my fears when it emerged the 380 is essentially a 285 with (potentially) more VRAM.

Does it actually matter though.

With the 2XX series AMD re-branded the previous flagship 'HD 7970' to the R9 280X and introduced two new high end flagship cards, R9 290 and R9 290X. This was enough to take on the Nvidia Titan (Top card at the time).

Now AMD is re-branding the 290X 4GB/8GB, to the 390X 8GB and introducing two new flagship cards, the AMD Fiji (Cut) and AMD Fiji (Full chip) to take on Nvidia's current flagships.

If these cards are competitive at the various price points who cares if a lower down card is rebranded..

 

[Boomstick777]

Yup, pricing will change everything.

A 390X 8GB looks very good in the face of a 3.5GB + 0.5GB GTX 970.

 

[Boomstick777]

At what cost tho Boom? the 290X is being sold right now at cost if not a loss.

If AMD jack the price up by renaming they can't sell them, they can't sell them at current pricing, if they drop the price they might sell them but lose big money on everyone they sell, they will end up bankrupt soon because they have no card to fill in the £300 to £400 gap.

Basically if what we are saying AMD only have one GPU thats new, That according to other rumors from the same source is also massive, expensive to produce and slower than a 980TI... it also has no profit margin. AMD have nothing.....
WCCF have spent everyday coming up with a new rumor, there must 20 different ones from them by now and not in a single one of them have they substantiated anything they have said, what we do know is some of their rumors have already been proven to be false, they continue on repeating those same false rumors.

WCCF right now are being the biggest internet trolls on earth, how can that not be obvious?

Prices on 28nm (Very Mature) and GDDR5 (To be usurped over the next few years) are likely very cheap.

These cards will not be sold at a loss, from a business stance re producing a nearly 2 year old design with cheaper to produce materials is a good strategy not a bad one.

I agree about WCCF, seems a new article contradicting the last one every day. They could just be reporting the latest but it does seem like to generate hits.

 

[Boomstick777]

I am now fully expecting fury to beat the 980Ti and at a good price point or the 3xx series will be very disappointing for current 2xx series owners. Based on current leaks.

Agreed on the first part. Expecting high performance from Fiji. I disagree with the second part though. The type of buyer who picked up 290X / 290 at launch is now ready for something new (If they haven't gone Nvidia already) so Fiji would be perfect for them. Those that bought into 2XX series later on already got great bang for buck, and will probably hold out for next year when we see a true development, die shrink, HBM 2.0 etc.

A 390X 8GB going into the mid - high slot, regardless of being a rebrand (Enhanced Hawaii) is still progress. The 4GB 290X was pricey at launch. An 8GB enhanced version for £250 squids wouldn't be bad at all.

Now we just wait for reviews / pricing...

 

[Boomstick777]

Yes but the thing being (if it is a straight rebrand) a user with a 290x and £350 to spend has no option for an upgrade from AMD. Furry will definitely be more expensive than that.

Wut? What madness do you speak

Fiji would be the upgrade, why would a 290X owner 'Upgrade' to a 390X which now occupy the mid - high slot?

The 280X card target buyers wasn't the 7970, that was the job of 290 / 290X. Likewise AMD Fiji is the upgrade here. 290X now 390X is being move lower down in the tier.

Also why do 290X only have a budget of £350? 290X were more expensive at launch. Have those buyers got a set limit now?

I can't wait till launch, it's been long, now peeps are going crazy..

The stack is quite good. It just needs to launch already. Not long now guys. Think I'll leave the thread again for a few days. Nothing good comes from over speculating. We have a fixed date for launch, all we can do it wait. In the meantime loving my Titan X and Witcher 3 !

 

[Boomstick777]

I don't think that Manhatton bench is the most reliable to judge gaming performance

 

[Boomstick777]

Over 4000 GCN '1.2' Shaders.

4GB HBM.

128 ROPS.

256 TMUs.

AIO or custom air cooling.

Not long now, this gonna be good.

 

[Boomstick777]

Cant believe so little is known about these Fury cards so close to launch.

I can see matt is logged in at the bottom of the forum, he must be loving the speculation and maybe already has one of these (to assist and help others with questions/problems).

I'm sure he and some of his AMD mates look in here for their daily lol's.... cruel #####

Haha

Although tbh, we know roughly most of the spec. We knew it was AIO etc for months, we've seen what it looks like. It's just the performance that's really missing..

 

[Boomstick777]

Fury X is faster than the R9 290X by a minimum of 54%. Which brings us to the second major improvement. Fury X achieves this performance improvement with a TDP that’s a meager 10W higher. Which makes Fury X 48% more power efficient than AMD’s previous single GPU flagship the R9 290X, which is quite remarkable.

 

[Boomstick777]

I hope the AMD lads who aren't used to paying halo tier prices for the top card have their wallets ready if it's 10% faster than a TX.

I guess we'll see a lot of hypocrites outed with this launch

Well, anywhere above £500 and it's a no buy from me

Martini won't pay £500 which is less Nvidia's GTX second fastest (£550+) GPU for a GPU that beats Nvidia's fastest (£850+)

With people like that what more can AMD do. Some people expect way to much AMD get treated like a second class citizen no matter what they do lol.

If AMD deliver on the hardware then they get my money. If it's faster than TX will be a day one buy for me. Even if it's more than £500

 

[Boomstick777]

Whichever way you look at it, 4Gb puts a time limit on the card more than 6Gb (12gb is pointless). This seems to be the only question mark over the card at the moment.

Unless HBM does something super special to overcome the limitation. I'm aware this has been discussed at great length and generally thought to be unlikely.

Yeah you have a point there, need to see how 4GB HBM limits or doesn't limit higher resolution before making judgement though.

When AMD have good products they can command a good price, it's fair enough. I don't expect a Titan X beater to be cheap. If performance is similar (But not better) than a lil bit cheaper would make sense.

But if the card beats the Titan X, and HBM doesn't hold it back. It still wouldn't surprise me to see people expecting it to be cheaper than a 980 Ti. It's just the way most think about AMD. That is the mindset, it's not just Martini, unfortunately just the mindset about AMD. Even if it's better it needs to be cheaper to lol.

 

[Boomstick777]

What about the terrible driver support

Nvidia aren't doing to great on driver support either atm.

Imho both camps could do better, there is no better company. Just go with whoever has best hardware.

 

[Boomstick777]

I'm still not sure I understand how people think 4gb of him will overcome memory limitations that 4gb ddr will have?

Once you go over 4gb, you will then need to swap from system ram either way, no?

Hence the bottleneck isn't the onboard ram but the system bus.

Yeah this is true we've all discussed so many times though. We have to see if it actually does hinder the card at high res, or if it causes stutter when swapping from card to system etc.

All we can do is wait for reviews..

 

[Boomstick777]

8.6 TFLOPS !!!

 

[Boomstick777]

290X has 5.6, wouldn't get too excited since the Ti has the same and whoops its ass

According to that spec sheet, the Fiji Fury has 128 ROPS, yes 128 ROPS along with 256 TMUs. Then add on HBM etc..

Basically it has grunt like nothing we've ever seen. If you're a PC enthusiast you should be a lil excited. This card is a monster. Only the most biased could be pessimistic about this card if that spec is legit. This is a proper advancement. Looking forward to this and Nvidia's response, although that's likely a year away..

 

[Boomstick777]

Technically mate I agree, it's going to be a stunner I *LOVE* ATi/AMD hardware, it's usually top-drawer...

I've just been so disappointed with AMD's driver performance of late that it doesn't even matter to me if it's 20%+ faster than a Ti, I just can't go back to the ****-poor Crossfire profiles and issues with Gameworks titles.

I am however expecting nVidia to go into full Gameworks gimping mode (if they haven't already)

Haha, yeah especially agree with the 'Gimping with Gameworks'. Even then this looks such a beast that it might still be ahead in gimped titles.

With the drivers AMD have been slow lately, but Nvidia have messed has the past few up as well. I've had to go back to 350.12 just to be able to web browse without lock up / freeze and play Witcher 3 without boot back to desktop. So I don't know which is worse slow releasing drivers or releasing drivers quickly that don't work. Both company's can do better. The hardware is what I care most about, drivers always get sorted in the end.