Caporegime
And several others, including Intel and Nvidia.
You paid part of my dividend, what do you think about that?
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And several others, including Intel and Nvidia.
You paid part of my dividend, what do you think about that?
PEBCAK and "I've not had a problem in X amount of years" are pretty much trademark responses to any criticism of ATI/AMD's drivers and has been since the early days. I've been around since 1999 and in all that time AMD's drivers have been flawless as far as the AMD fan boys are concerned although they're always happy to admit that they weren't very good in the past - work that one out.
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Caporegime
And several others, including Intel and Nvidia.
You paid part of my dividend, what do you think about that?
Hmmmm, strange one that, as you have written on nVidia's epitaph more than anyone around here and you claim to have shares with them. Not the best thing to do when you want to see your company doing well is it?
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That does ring true, thinking about it
I've had my fair share of problems with both teams drivers, if you've updated and you get some problems...roll back? Latest Nvidia drivers really ****ed up BF4 for me and a few other people. I'm on some older ones currently, will see how they fair later tonight.
Caporegime
That does ring true, thinking about it
I've had my fair share of problems with both teams drivers, if you've updated and you get some problems...roll back? Latest Nvidia drivers really ****ed up BF4 for me and a few other people. I'm on some older ones currently, will see how they fair later tonight.
Its not your Nvidia Drivers that ####ed up BF4, BF4 ####ed up BF4, BF4 was never anything other than ####ed up.
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Hashtaged up BF4?
No, you're confused. They ****ed up BF4.
Can see where the mixup came from though.
No, you're confused. They ****ed up BF4.
Can see where the mixup came from though.
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Both sides have issues with Drivers otherwise every driver release wouldn't have a "Changes and Fixed issues" section in their release notes - e.g. Nvidia 347.09 fixes 6 issues, but they still have around 20 open issues listed.
The AMD (ATi) make bad drivers thing is historical - yes ATi DID make bad drivers, anyone who lived throught the ATi Rage era can attest to that, but at some point after that drivers became a priority and a dedicated team was even brought in to improve them iirc.
The AMD (ATi) make bad drivers thing is historical - yes ATi DID make bad drivers, anyone who lived throught the ATi Rage era can attest to that, but at some point after that drivers became a priority and a dedicated team was even brought in to improve them iirc.
Caporegime
BF4 runs flawless for me. Maybe a Mantle thing?
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I don't read any of that, rarely update the drivers if truth me told.
Saw there was aload of fuss around the 347.09 drivers so updated to them, afterwards BF4 was a stutter mess.
Back on the 344.75s, will see how they fair later tonight (these were fine the last time i played btw, nothing else has changed. EA haven't tried to 'Fix' BF4 iirc)
It's inevitable you'll run into problems with drivers, who cares
Caporegime
That makes sense, Apple make their own Drivers and then lock them solid to whatever hardware its supposed to be running.
Using an Apple Driver to run something its not designed for was never going to workout well.
That is an example of pebcak.
Soldato
See this bit is hilarious. You can't accept that I've had the issues I have had.
Twist and say what you like, fact is every rig in my house apart from one has an Nvidia GPU in it and whatever you say won't change things.
I've got plenty of complaints about Nvidia, just trust me on that. However this is an AMD thread, so I'm letting AMD know how I feel.
They can carry on the same? balance a pineapple on their head? up to them really. Fact is until they sort out their drivers and make them to the same quality as Nvidia I will not buy an AMD GPU, regardless of what you say or Tonester's insults.
Maybe if people stopped jumping in on the defence and actually listened to what I am saying then AMD can produce a driver with the quality to match their products.
Until then, as much as it pees me off, I will stay with Nvidia.
You're taking one incident and trying to twist it to suit what you want to say.
FACT.
Until AMD sort their drivers out I will not buy their product.
/end fact.
Also whilst I'm here. AMD recommend you run their cleaner app before installing any drivers that support Mantle.
When you do that it automatically wipes out all of your motherboard drivers, all of your USB drivers and even your keyboard and mouse.
So you then have to buy a PS2 keyboard, reinstall the drivers then you get your USB back.
It's just so, well, noobish. Surely some one at AMD thought about people that may actually own their CPUs and chipsets. Seems not !
Oh yeah, and then there's the doozy driver that tries to install and force itself into Windows 8 without realising that if you do that Windows 8 will block the driver leaving you with a dead rig.
All of these things that I don't get with Nvidia.
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Soldato
AMD Do "NOT" Recommend you use there Driver removal software..
This is what AMD recommend
http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/GPU57RemoveOldGraphicsDrivers.aspx
That software is only there for someone upgrading from AMD motherboard to an Intel Motherboard and do NOT wish to re-install Windows..
People need to understand that software isn't a GPU un-installer like for example DDU!
So right away there is one mistake you have made.
This is what AMD recommend
http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/GPU57RemoveOldGraphicsDrivers.aspx
That software is only there for someone upgrading from AMD motherboard to an Intel Motherboard and do NOT wish to re-install Windows..
People need to understand that software isn't a GPU un-installer like for example DDU!
So right away there is one mistake you have made.
Caporegime
I don't even use DDU anymore.
Soldato
I did not make a mistake, I did what they told me to do. IE - before you install the Mantle driver you must run their app that cleans out any previous drivers as they will not work with Mantle.
I ran their app, cleaned out the rig alright. Cleaned it so well that when I rebooted my entire system was not usable.
They're likely to have changed it now but it still happened.
Twice.
Soldato
Same its been awhile..
Soldato
Well seeing you using Intel I find that hard to believe... The software you talking about Removes AMD's Chipset Drivers, USB and GPU.. The first two your System doesn't even have installed to begin with..
Last do you have a link? To what AMD say about remove driver before installing with Mantle?
Quite funny how Mantle as worked for me without using such software..
Soldato
Rig 1. Nvidia.
Rig 2, all AMD.
It doesn't happen on Intel because it doesn't delete Intel drivers. Only AMD system drivers, so if you're on all AMD it wipes out the lot.
And as you can see, that rig is all AMD. Board, CPU, GPU everything.
Edit. The AMD rig now belongs to my lady who is an avid gamer. As I mentioned earlier, after I gave it to her and after I'd built a new rig a driver came out that actually worked. When I still owned it it was nothing but grief. Crossfire not picking up the profiles, lame benchmark results etc.
If it was any good I would not have bought more Nvidia cards.
What I am saying is all very valid and all very much useful to AMD. If they can win me around? cool ! I will be glad to get away from Nvidia with their crappy power phases and locked voltage controls, cheap cards dressed as expensive ones, never enough VRAM just enough to keep you buying, ETC ETC ETC.
But, I chose the less of two evils because their drivers have always worked for me. I've never had black screen issues, red screen issues (yes, I do know they exist). Back in the days of my GTX 280 I switched to AMD when Nvidia released their famous driver that stopped the fan working and burnt out the card.
Switched to AMD (at the time ATI) who I now have found out were lying and selling people two cards for Crossfire that simply did not work.
Frame pacing, dropped frames, runt frames. AMD were lying through their teeth. Funny, I bet I get some deluded person come along and tell me I'm wrong and it didn't happen.
Sadly though, back on planet earth and in reality it did happen. £260 wasted on nothing but stuttering.
And until AMD listen to me I will not buy their products, regardless of how much people want to argue the toss.
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Soldato
Rig 1. Nvidia.
Rig 2, all AMD.
It doesn't happen on Intel because it doesn't delete Intel drivers. Only AMD system drivers, so if you're on all AMD it wipes out the lot.
And as you can see, that rig is all AMD. Board, CPU, GPU everything.
Well ok then, and as I said you shouldn't be using that software to begin with when just removing GPU drivers.. Like I said that is only for when a person to coming from AMD to Intel..
So I would still like to see this link to where AMD is recommending you run this..
Caporegime
I don't like what you are saying about my beloved company, so I will call you a liar! 
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