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I don't like what you are saying about my beloved company, so I will call you a liar! :(

Am not calling him a liar stop trying to twist things.. I am asking him to show me a link to where AMD recommend you run there Driver removal software for changing GPU drivers.

I also didn't know he owned two systems I seeing his Sig and went from there. So what I said was true about the software he talking about completely removes all traces of AMD drivers and this is because its used for when a user is going from AMD to Intel without a Windows Reinstall.
 
Well ok then, and as I said you shouldn't be using that software to begin with when just removing GPU drivers.. Like I said that is only for when a person to coming from AMD to Intel..

So I would still like to see this link to where AMD is recommending you run this..

http://www.techspot.com/drivers/driver/file/information/16748/

That's it there. When Mantle released AMD absolutely insisted that you run it before installing the Mantle driver.

And when you do it wipes out everything if you are on an AMD rig. My rig was out of action for several days whilst I sourced a PS2 keyboard because I did not want to lose my 8 install or save games.

The cleaner is also a part of the driver itself. You can tell it to express clean, and when you do it cleans alright...

Technically? I have absolutely nothing against AMD. Not physically. Their cards are nice and solid and well made, unlike the GTX 670 which had a plastic plate to extend the length of the card to make it look like it was worth £300. I paid £327 for my two 670s, they're on stock PCB which looks like it was designed by a three year old.

So yeah, there's another one of my rigs in the family with a hex core Westmere ES and two 670s.

AMD's cards always have nice big fat memory pipelines and are always realistically priced within the market (unlike silly things like the Titan etc).

But their drivers are years behind Nvidia's. And that's what you are paying for when you buy an Nvidia card. Not the card, but the drivers for it.

SLI worked when Crossfire didn't, Nvidia even built something onto their cards to stop dropped and runt frames. Again, SLI - light years beyond Crossfire which is very crude at best.
 
I asked for a link to where AMD said themselves.. IE We recommend you run this software when changing from driver to driver.

Simply they don't!

When should one use that software?
1. They having issues with a driver removal when you standard control panel dont work.
2. You switching from AMD

Its your own Risk when you ran that software, so because it made your software unstable by removing key Drivers thats AMD fault?> or is that User fault?


LOOL

Note: The AMD Clean Uninstall Utility should only be used if the normal uninstall procedure using the Control Panel's Programs and Features option is unsuccessful. For instructions on how to uninstall AMD Catalyst drivers using the Control Panel's Programs and Features option, refer to KB article: GPU-57
Note: The chipset drivers, USB drivers, audio drivers, and AMD software components may be removed by the AMD Clean Uninstall Utility. As a result, USB and audio devices and systems using RAID arrays may become unresponsive after system reboot. Only use the AMD Clean Uninstall Utility if the system can be fully restored to a previous state using a backup image.​
Note: The AMD Clean Uninstall Utility is designed to be supported only on systems running Microsoft Windows 7 and Windows 8/8.1.
 
I understand you have nothing against AMD you keep saying that.. But my point is you run software that you shouldn't and then you blame AMD for doing so?

How is it AMD's fault?
You also keep saying AMD said run this before installing Mantle driver.. I have asked for a Link "Still Nothing"
 
I asked for a link to where AMD said themselves.. IE We recommend you run this software when changing from driver to driver.

Simply they don't!

Because it was about a year ago, so it's highly likely they have realised their mistake and rectified it, no?

When should one use that software?
1. They having issues with a driver removal when you standard control panel dont work.
2. You switching from AMD

Its your own Risk when you ran that software, so because it made your software unstable by removing key Drivers thats AMD fault?> or is that User fault?


LOOL

Note: The AMD Clean Uninstall Utility should only be used if the normal uninstall procedure using the Control Panel's Programs and Features option is unsuccessful. For instructions on how to uninstall AMD Catalyst drivers using the Control Panel's Programs and Features option, refer to KB article: GPU-57
Note: The chipset drivers, USB drivers, audio drivers, and AMD software components may be removed by the AMD Clean Uninstall Utility. As a result, USB and audio devices and systems using RAID arrays may become unresponsive after system reboot. Only use the AMD Clean Uninstall Utility if the system can be fully restored to a previous state using a backup image.​
Note: The AMD Clean Uninstall Utility is designed to be supported only on systems running Microsoft Windows 7 and Windows 8/8.1.

But the fact still remains that I won't buy an AMD due to the awful drivers, even though I absolutely HATE Nvidia and their practices.

Anything you say won't change that, sadly. Only when they can get a driver out with the same sort of quality of Nvidia, and I have it fully confirmed, will I risk switching.

Mind you, with two Titan Blacks and a 770 for Physx I highly doubt I will be changing any time soon any way.
 
Like i said a page back, who takes anything he says seriously?
He's normally in the CPU section moaning about something or other, normally praising the 8320...though it's been along time since i've been over there.

Some of the stuff he posts is harder to read than what you or Bug post.
 
Because it was about a year ago, so it's highly likely they have realised their mistake and rectified it, no?
But the fact still remains that I won't buy an AMD due to the awful drivers, even though I absolutely HATE Nvidia and their practices.

Anything you say won't change that, sadly. Only when they can get a driver out with the same sort of quality of Nvidia, and I have it fully confirmed, will I risk switching.

Mind you, with two Titan Blacks and a 770 for Physx I highly doubt I will be changing any time soon any way.

Even if that was the case would this information still be on the internet.. Yes it would..
They would be a site reporting this information and would also still have the article there.


Am not trying to make you do anything lol I couldn't careless if you didn't buy AMD GPU.. All I saying is dont point finger at AMD for a mistake you made..
 
We recommended that people uninstall the previous AMD drivers prior to installing the first Mantle drivers. This was due to the fact that if people installed Mantle capable drivers 'over the top' of existing pre Mantle drivers then Mantle might not function correctly in Battlefield 4 or there might be issues installing the drivers, such as an installation failed error.
 
Like i said a page back, who takes anything he says seriously?
He's normally in the CPU section moaning about something or other, normally praising the 8320...though it's been along time since i've been over there.

Some of the stuff he posts is harder to read than what you or Bug post.

If you don't take anything I say seriously then why are you reading. Further more, why are you complaining with your thinly veiled insults?

Still not got over my views on X99, eh?

Don't read it if you don't like it, it wasn't intended for you any way.
 
Never had a single issue with any drivers, be it Nvidia or AMD within the last 6 years. Too many are far to quick to blame AMD for what potentially could be other sytem related issues.

+1

AMD / Nvidia drivers have been solid for me for years.

The only actual issue I have with AMD cards is the high multiscreen IDLE power consumption / heat. My 290X ran 2 screens at IDLE (under water) what my 980 runs under load (under water). If this can be addressed I will def move back to AMD on the next lot of cards. Single screen wasn't an issue just with multi, now I'm using 1440P + 1080P, I will stick with Nvidia until it's sorted.

Performance wise, AMD are still best bang for buck overall. Driver wise AMD are solid and have been for a long time imho.
 
We recommended that people uninstall the previous AMD drivers prior to installing the first Mantle drivers. This was due to the fact that if people installed Mantle capable drivers 'over the top' of existing pre Mantle drivers then Mantle might not function correctly in Battlefield 4 or there might be issues installing the drivers, such as an installation failed error.

^ there you go. From the horse's mouth.

AMD supplied a clean up utility that I probably even still have.

Any way, here's to 2015 and I really hope they can bring out a card that wins me around :)
 
We recommended that people uninstall the previous AMD drivers prior to installing the first Mantle drivers. This was due to the fact that if people installed Mantle capable drivers 'over the top' of existing pre Mantle drivers then Mantle might not function correctly in Battlefield 4 or there might be issues installing the drivers, such as an installation failed error.

Did AMD recommend the normal Removal by Control Panel... or would AMD recommend you run the Driver Removal that removes all traces of AMD drivers Chipset etc?
 
^ there you go. From the horse's mouth.

AMD supplied a clean up utility that I probably even still have.

Any way, here's to 2015 and I really hope they can bring out a card that wins me around :)

We didn't actually recommend anyone use a cleanup utility Andy, just that they uninstall the old drivers prior to installing the first Mantle capable drivers.

I digged up the 14.1 release notes for clarification.

The AMD Catalyst™ 14.1 Beta Driver can be downloaded from the following links:

Download from Here

NOTE! This Catalyst Driver is provided "AS IS", and under the terms and conditions of the End User License Agreement provided therewith.

Installing The AMD Catalyst™ Software Driver

Current driver MUST be uninstalled before updating to AMD Catalyst™ 14.1 Beta driver. For detailed instructions on how to correctly uninstall or install the AMD Catalyst Software Suite, please refer to the following support resources:



How-To Uninstall AMD Catalyst™ Drivers From A Windows® Based System
How-To Install AMD Catalyst™ Drivers For A Windows® Based System

Feature Highlights of The AMD Catalyst™ 14.1 Beta Driver for Windows
Support for the following new AMD Desktop APU (Accelerated Processors) products:

AMD A10-7850K
AMD A10-7700K
Mantle Beta driver


AMD's Mantle is a groundbreaking graphics API that promises to transform the world of game development to help bring better, faster games to the PC
Performance gain of up to 45%(versus the DirectX version) for Battlefield 4 on the R9 290 Series
Performance gain of up to 200% (versus the DirectX version) for Star Swarm on the R9 290 Series

AMD Catalyst 14.1 Beta must be used in conjunction with versions of these applications that support Mantle
It is expected that these applications will have future updates to support additional AMD Mantle features

AMD Mantle Beta driver is currently supported on:
AMD Radeon™ R9 Series GPUs
AMD Radeon™ R7 Series GPUs
AMD Radeon™ HD 7000 Series GPUs
AMD Radeon™ HD 8000 Series GPUs
AMD A10-7000 Series and AMD A8-7000 Series APUs
​​​​​For additional details please see the AMD Mantle Technology FAQ on amd.com​

Enhanced AMD CrossFire frame pacing – Support for 4K panel and Eyefinity non-XDMA CrossFire solutions (including the AMD Radeon R9 280, 270 Series, 7900 Series, 7800 Series) and Dual Graphics configurations​
​​​Frame pacing ensures that frames rendered across multiple GPUs in an AMD CrossFire configuration will be displayed at an even and regular pace
Supported on 4K panels and Eyefinity configurations
Supported on AMD Dual Graphics configurations
Supported on DirectX® 10 and DirectX 11 applications​​​
Resolved issue highlights of AMD Catalyst 14.1 Beta​​

Resolves ground texture flickering seen in Total War: Rome 2 with high settings (and below) set in game
Resolves flickering texture corruption when playing Call of Duty: Ghosts (multi-player) in the space station level

Resolved Issues


Ground texture flickering seen in Total War: Rome 2 with high settings (and below) set in game
Flickering texture corruption when playing Call of Duty: Ghosts (multi-player) in the space station level
Blu-ray playback using PowerDVD black screen on extended mode
Streaming VUDU HD/HDX content on Sharp PN-K321 (DP) causes the right-side half to flicker in and out
Black screen happened after wake up the monitor
Full screen issue at rotation in DX9 mode
Video window black screen when using Samsung Kies to play video
Crysis2 negative scaling in outdoor scene
Crysis2 has insufficient CrossFire scaling in some scene
Red Faction: The game has no or negative crossfire scaling with DX9 and DX11
Age of Conan has corruption and performance issues with crossfire enabled
Company of Heroes shadows are corrupted when using crossfire
Resident Evil5 's performance is unstable when display mode set to Window mode
Total War: Shogun 2 flickering menu/text
Frame rate drop when disabling post-processing in 3DMark06
Negative Crossfire scaling with game "The Secret World" in DX11 mode
F1 2012 Crashes to desktop
Tomb Raider Hair Simulation Stutters on CFX
Negative CrossFire scaling experienced in Call of Duty
Battlefield 3 performance drop on Haswell systems
Choppy video playback on 4k Video
VSync ON Tearing with 2x1 Eyefinity SLS CrossFire
Far Cry 3 - Game flickering while changing resolutions
Display corruption and BSOD occurs when extending a display after disabling Multiple GPU SLS array
Flickering seen when enable three 4kx2k panels at the same time
No Video, just a black screen when setting Chrome to run in "High Performance" when playing certain video clips
Image crashed on Starcraft game

Known Issues

Mantle performance for the AMD Radeon™ HD 7000/HD 8000 Series GPUs and AMD Radeon™ R9 280X and R9 270X GPUs will be optimized for BattleField 4™ in future AMD Catalyst™ releases. These products will see limited gains in BattleField 4™ and AMD is currently investigating optimizations for them.
Multi-GPU support under DirectX® and Mantle will be added to StarSwarm in a future application patch
Intermittent stuttering or stability issues may occur when utilizing Mantle with AMD CrossFire™ technology in BattleField 4™ - AMD recommends using the DirectX code path when playing Battlefield 4 with multiple GPUs. A future AMD Catalyst release will resolve these issues
Notebooks based on AMD Enduro or PowerXpress™ technologies are currently not supported by the Mantle codepath in Battlefield 4™
AMD Eyefinity configurations utilizing portrait display orientations are currently not supported by the Mantle codepath in Battlefield 4™
AMD Eyefinity technology is not currently supported in the Star Swarm​ application
AMD testing for the AMD Catalyst™ 14.1 Beta Mantle driver has been concentrated on the following products: AMD Radeon™ R9 290X, R9 290, R9 280, R9 270, R7 260X, R7 260, HD 7000 Series, HD 8000 Series, A10-7850K and A10-7700K. Future AMD Catalyst™ releases will include full test coverage for all AMD products supported by Mantle.
Graphics hardware in the AMD A10-7850K and A10-7700K may override the presence of a discrete GPU under the Mantle code path in Battlefield 4™
Frame Pacing for Dual Graphics and non-XDMA configurations above 2560x1600 do not currently work with Battlefield 3 and Battlefield 4. An upcoming release will enable support
DX9 Dual graphics is not supported in AMD Catalyst 14.1 Beta. An upcoming release will enable support[/quote]
 
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We didn't actual recommend anyone use a cleanup utility Andy, just that they uninstall the old drivers prior to installing the first Mantle capable drivers.

I digged up the 14.1 release notes for clarification.

The AMD Catalyst™ 14.1 Beta Driver can be downloaded from the following links:

Download from Here

NOTE! This Catalyst Driver is provided "AS IS", and under the terms and conditions of the End User License Agreement provided therewith.

Installing The AMD Catalyst™ Software Driver

Current driver MUST be uninstalled before updating to AMD Catalyst™ 14.1 Beta driver. For detailed instructions on how to correctly uninstall or install the AMD Catalyst Software Suite, please refer to the following support resources:



How-To Uninstall AMD Catalyst™ Drivers From A Windows® Based System
How-To Install AMD Catalyst™ Drivers For A Windows® Based System
Feature Highlights of The AMD Catalyst™ 14.1 Beta Driver for Windows
Support for the following new AMD Desktop APU (Accelerated Processors) products:

AMD A10-7850K
AMD A10-7700K
Mantle Beta driver


AMD's Mantle is a groundbreaking graphics API that promises to transform the world of game development to help bring better, faster games to the PC
Performance gain of up to 45%(versus the DirectX version) for Battlefield 4 on the R9 290 Series
Performance gain of up to 200% (versus the DirectX version) for Star Swarm on the R9 290 Series

AMD Catalyst 14.1 Beta must be used in conjunction with versions of these applications that support Mantle
It is expected that these applications will have future updates to support additional AMD Mantle features

AMD Mantle Beta driver is currently supported on:
AMD Radeon™ R9 Series GPUs
AMD Radeon™ R7 Series GPUs
AMD Radeon™ HD 7000 Series GPUs
AMD Radeon™ HD 8000 Series GPUs
AMD A10-7000 Series and AMD A8-7000 Series APUs
​​​​​For additional details please see the AMD Mantle Technology FAQ on amd.com​

Enhanced AMD CrossFire frame pacing – Support for 4K panel and Eyefinity non-XDMA CrossFire solutions (including the AMD Radeon R9 280, 270 Series, 7900 Series, 7800 Series) and Dual Graphics configurations​
​​​Frame pacing ensures that frames rendered across multiple GPUs in an AMD CrossFire configuration will be displayed at an even and regular pace
Supported on 4K panels and Eyefinity configurations
Supported on AMD Dual Graphics configurations
Supported on DirectX® 10 and DirectX 11 applications​​​
Resolved issue highlights of AMD Catalyst 14.1 Beta​​

Resolves ground texture flickering seen in Total War: Rome 2 with high settings (and below) set in game
Resolves flickering texture corruption when playing Call of Duty: Ghosts (multi-player) in the space station level

Resolved Issues


Ground texture flickering seen in Total War: Rome 2 with high settings (and below) set in game
Flickering texture corruption when playing Call of Duty: Ghosts (multi-player) in the space station level
Blu-ray playback using PowerDVD black screen on extended mode
Streaming VUDU HD/HDX content on Sharp PN-K321 (DP) causes the right-side half to flicker in and out
Black screen happened after wake up the monitor
Full screen issue at rotation in DX9 mode
Video window black screen when using Samsung Kies to play video
Crysis2 negative scaling in outdoor scene
Crysis2 has insufficient CrossFire scaling in some scene
Red Faction: The game has no or negative crossfire scaling with DX9 and DX11
Age of Conan has corruption and performance issues with crossfire enabled
Company of Heroes shadows are corrupted when using crossfire
Resident Evil5 's performance is unstable when display mode set to Window mode
Total War: Shogun 2 flickering menu/text
Frame rate drop when disabling post-processing in 3DMark06
Negative Crossfire scaling with game "The Secret World" in DX11 mode
F1 2012 Crashes to desktop
Tomb Raider Hair Simulation Stutters on CFX
Negative CrossFire scaling experienced in Call of Duty
Battlefield 3 performance drop on Haswell systems
Choppy video playback on 4k Video
VSync ON Tearing with 2x1 Eyefinity SLS CrossFire
Far Cry 3 - Game flickering while changing resolutions
Display corruption and BSOD occurs when extending a display after disabling Multiple GPU SLS array
Flickering seen when enable three 4kx2k panels at the same time
No Video, just a black screen when setting Chrome to run in "High Performance" when playing certain video clips
Image crashed on Starcraft game

Known Issues

Mantle performance for the AMD Radeon™ HD 7000/HD 8000 Series GPUs and AMD Radeon™ R9 280X and R9 270X GPUs will be optimized for BattleField 4™ in future AMD Catalyst™ releases. These products will see limited gains in BattleField 4™ and AMD is currently investigating optimizations for them.
Multi-GPU support under DirectX® and Mantle will be added to StarSwarm in a future application patch
Intermittent stuttering or stability issues may occur when utilizing Mantle with AMD CrossFire™ technology in BattleField 4™ - AMD recommends using the DirectX code path when playing Battlefield 4 with multiple GPUs. A future AMD Catalyst release will resolve these issues
Notebooks based on AMD Enduro or PowerXpress™ technologies are currently not supported by the Mantle codepath in Battlefield 4™
AMD Eyefinity configurations utilizing portrait display orientations are currently not supported by the Mantle codepath in Battlefield 4™
AMD Eyefinity technology is not currently supported in the Star Swarm​ application
AMD testing for the AMD Catalyst™ 14.1 Beta Mantle driver has been concentrated on the following products: AMD Radeon™ R9 290X, R9 290, R9 280, R9 270, R7 260X, R7 260, HD 7000 Series, HD 8000 Series, A10-7850K and A10-7700K. Future AMD Catalyst™ releases will include full test coverage for all AMD products supported by Mantle.
Graphics hardware in the AMD A10-7850K and A10-7700K may override the presence of a discrete GPU under the Mantle code path in Battlefield 4™
Frame Pacing for Dual Graphics and non-XDMA configurations above 2560x1600 do not currently work with Battlefield 3 and Battlefield 4. An upcoming release will enable support
DX9 Dual graphics is not supported in AMD Catalyst 14.1 Beta. An upcoming release will enable support
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Thank You! And they link you to the Article I posted about removing Drivers.

So another case of USER error and blame AMD..
 
For the last few updates before upgrading to a new driver i just unistalled the old one through the normal Windows remove programs utility, rebooted and installed the new driver.

That seems to work perfectly.

I don't bother with all that third party utility cleaning crap anymore, and you shouldn't need to do that, their own unistaller does what it needs to do.
 
If you don't take anything I say seriously then why are you reading. Further more, why are you complaining with your thinly veiled insults?

Still not got over my views on X99, eh?

Don't read it if you don't like it, it wasn't intended for you any way.

Can you not do both? Hmmm...
I don't take anything you say seriously, because i read what you wrote. Normally how it works, would be foolish for me to prejudge.

Saying that. It would save me a lot of time not bothering. I have hope, that one day you say something worth reading.
Fingers crossed, new year soon.
 
Matt while you are here, can you get someone from the development team to go over to the Blender Foundation to show them how to properly execute and integrate an OpenCL GPU Compute API?

Its a bloody mess, i'm serious....
 
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Didn't have an issue, because at the time it was my first Crossfire setup 7950's and I new no different.. and if I being perfectly honest even when the driver came out fro 7000 series I again noticed no difference..

What I do notice though is 290 crossfire vs 7950s crossfire is indeed much better.
 
Didn't have an issue, because at the time it was my first Crossfire setup 7950's and I new no different.. and if I being perfectly honest even when the driver came out fro 7000 series I again noticed no difference..

What I do notice though is 290 crossfire vs 7950s crossfire is indeed much better.

All of the time Crossfire did not work I had about twenty people telling me I was doing it wrong and that they had no issues.

Imagine my delight when I found out I was absolutely right to complain, and they were rather silly for missing the complete obvious.

As I've already said, after the nightmares I've had from AMD drivers I will not buy AMD.

And I certainly won't listen to people arguing the toss and telling me I am wrong, because the whole frame debacle was as clear as day.

Know who released that software? Nvidia. They were already making sure it wasn't a problem on SLI.

And that's the problem with AMD. Far too many people putting up with issues and not complaining. You complain? people all jump on you and tell you you're wrong when in reality if AMD actually listened to their complaints they would garner more customers.

That Crossfire controversy was an absolute tragedy for AMD. So yeah, we now have frame pacing but only after they were exposed.
 
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