Are people trying to swing a slightly faster 8GB 290X is a good thing?
If it's priced right it is, GTX970 beating performance with double the VRAM would be fantastic if priced right, even with the heat the card will be putting out.
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Possible Radeon 390X / 390 and 380X Spec / Benchmark (do not hotlink images!!!!!!)
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If it's priced right it is, GTX970 beating performance with double the VRAM would be fantastic if priced right, even with the heat the card will be putting out.
Will it? The 970 will have been out 9 months. The 290x will have been out a year and 9 months.
7% performance increase and some vram that will never get used is hardly anything to get excited about, especially if it is still hot and power hungry like the 290x.
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Calling it a 390X? That'd be pathetic.
People want real performance gains, not some slightly clocked higher card with more VRAM.
If they call that card a 380, then yeah sure, price it well and it's good. But then they run into a problem of HBM cards at the start being 4GB.
Again, I said it straight away, I can't see how AMD are going to do this.
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Speaking of 980Ti
I have word from a guy doing the HWBot world tour that ref 980Tis are hit the wall between 1200-1300mhz on air...i thought they will OC better than TX, but seems the opposite.
i think there's still a big market for a faster card even with only 4gb
i play at 1080p so me for sure
but also all the people with 144hz screens
they cant get powerful enough gpu's, vram not so important
tho trying to charge more than a TI with less vram might still be a tough sell
The question is going to be how does it compete at 4k. How much is (possibly) only having 4GB going to matter in that scenario.
With AMDs small share of the market even if it beats the Titan X by 10% I'm not expecting it to be the same price.
I hope the 390x are not just a straight rebrand, I need something better to tempt people to upgrade and sell their 290x nice and cheap second hand so I can pick one up for tri-fire
I think the 390x is going to match or beat the 980 at the same or a lower price point.
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i think there's still a big market for a faster card even with only 4gb
i play at 1080p so me for sure
but also all the people with 144hz screens
they cant get powerful enough gpu's, vram not so important
tho trying to charge more than a TI with less vram might still be a tough sell
Oh, I have no problem going for a 4GB HBM card at my resolution (2560x1080) and if there's a card that's 40% faster than my 290X with 4GB HBM, I'll jump at it.
But we've got the 4K marketing going on, and then potentially a higher end card with less VRAM etc. It's all going a bit wrong
This is why I think AMD need to reassess the information situation, all they need to do is give official specs. If the 16th comes and they've not got cards to release too, then they just look silly too.
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It will be interesting if these are just slightly pre-overclocked R9 290 series cards with more VRAM,or whether there are other changes beyond that at a firmware level,and whether they are using a new stepping of Hawaii.
290X 8GB was 299 just a few weeks ago on a Gibbo special.
Caporegime
If they end up a higher clocked 290X, then how can anyone defend them
?The AMD fanboys will have to literally disappear.
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-359-SP&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=1752
the "new" 390X who cares its a 20% power saving....
the "new" 390X who cares its a 20% power saving....
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If they end up a higher clocked 290X, then how can anyone defend them
The AMD fanboys will have to literally disappear.
I am more interested in whether they are literally just rebadged R9 290 4GB and R9 290X 8GB cards,or whether if they managed to improve performance/watt via firmware and stepping changes. AFAIK,the R9 280X,had similar changes over the HD7970 and it had generally better performance/watt if comparing like for like cards IIRC.
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Buy many 290X 8GB's.
Flash them.
Profit????????????
Flash them.
Profit????????????
glofo have a better process than tmsc.
I assume amd went with a mix of performance the 1070mhz clock on the 390x indicate that and the power savings put it into a superb value/price performance for Dx12 season as its about to start soon.
Oh, I have no problem going for a 4GB HBM card at my resolution (2560x1080) and if there's a card that's 40% faster than my 290X with 4GB HBM, I'll jump at it.
But we've got the 4K marketing going on, and then potentially a higher end card with less VRAM etc. It's all going a bit wrong
This is why I think AMD need to reassess the information situation, all they need to do is give official specs. If the 16th comes and they've not got cards to release too, then they just look silly too.
i dont think a game needs to use that much vram to look good tho, to me its getting a bit silly, and i might be totally wrong but AMD investing in ways to use less vram and let nvidia go ahead make their 32gb card, that would make more sense to me
i mean they cant win by copying nvidia, they need to play a little wild ^^;
they first to market with HBM thats pretty awesome, nvidia a year away
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i dont think a game needs to use that much vram to look good tho, to me its getting a bit silly, and i might be totally wrong but AMD investing in ways to use less vram and let nvidia go ahead make their 32gb card, that would make more sense to me
i mean they cant win by copying nvidia, they need to play a little wild ^^;
they first to market with HBM thats pretty awesome, nvidia a year away
Well, 2GB's not enough for 1080p, 4GB can't be enough for 4K by the same logic.
it depends how its used tho?
i mean witcher3 used very little
ok not a great example bcos a lot people said it looked bad but lol
HBM can swap textures super fast, dx12 coming in too, im not nerdy enough to understand it all but i dont see putting more and more vram on a card as the answer
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i dont think a game needs to use that much vram to look good tho, to me its getting a bit silly, and i might be totally wrong but AMD investing in ways to use less vram and let nvidia go ahead make their 32gb card, that would make more sense to me
i mean they cant win by copying nvidia, they need to play a little wild ^^;
they first to market with HBM thats pretty awesome, nvidia a year away
Better to be out the gate second but with 8gb HBM though.
AMD will be 1st out the gate with HBM and most likely and 2nd out of the gate with 8GB HBM.
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