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Possible Radeon 390X / 390 and 380X Spec / Benchmark (do not hotlink images!!!!!!)

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P.B said:
lol that was the g80 was it not ? 8800 gtx 8800 ultra 8800 gt 9800 gtx 9800 gt and finally the 250 gts
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G92, it's actually still on sale :D

lets count the rebrands!:

8800GT 512MB
8800GTS 512MB - (overclocked 8800GT)
9800GTX 512MB - (overclocked 8800GTS)
9800GTX+ 512MB/1024MB - (overclocked die shrink of 9800GTX)
GTS250 512MB/1024MB - (straight rename of 9800GTX+)
GTS250 Green 512MB/1024MB - (low power variant of GTS250)
Chinese GTX780 2048MB - (see below)

That last one is not a joke, the sixth rebrand is advertised online as a GTX780 by Chinese manufacturers but it's really a GTS250 Green albeit with 2GB RAM (somebody actually ordered it and did a full benchmark/review lol)
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I could see rebrands happening for lower tier cards especially as it could be just over a year we start to see them being replaced by 14NM/16NM cards.
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This.

The problem in this instance is amd have no need to bring new all singing all dancing low to mid range stuff when 1. What they have already is stronger value/performance in the low end than nvidia and 2. They have bundles of stock to shift.
 
ubersonic said:
G92, it's actually still on sale :D

lets count the rebrands!:

8800GT 512MB
8800GTS 512MB - (overclocked 8800GT)
9800GTX 512MB - (overclocked 8800GTS)
9800GTX+ 512MB/1024MB - (overclocked die shrink of 9800GTX)
GTS250 512MB/1024MB - (straight rename of 9800GTX+)
GTS250 Green 512MB/1024MB - (low power variant of GTS250)
Chinese GTX780 2048MB - (see below)

That last one is not a joke, the sixth rebrand is advertised online as a GTX780 by Chinese manufacturers but it's really a GTS250 Green albeit with 2GB RAM (somebody actually ordered it and did a full benchmark/review lol)
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lol sure that last one would be a straight up scam any way so wouldn't really count as it's not endorsed by nvidia have you got a link to said card would like to read it for the lols
 
ubersonic said:
G92, it's actually still on sale :D

lets count the rebrands!:

8800GT 512MB
8800GTS 512MB - (overclocked 8800GT)
9800GTX 512MB - (overclocked 8800GTS)
9800GTX+ 512MB/1024MB - (overclocked die shrink of 9800GTX)
GTS250 512MB/1024MB - (straight rename of 9800GTX+)
GTS250 Green 512MB/1024MB - (low power variant of GTS250)
Chinese GTX780 2048MB - (see below)

That last one is not a joke, the sixth rebrand is advertised online as a GTX780 by Chinese manufacturers but it's really a GTS250 Green albeit with 2GB RAM (somebody actually ordered it and did a full benchmark/review lol)
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You cannot count the 8800GT it had less shaders, if you are going to do that you would have to count every card that used the same chip regardless of its core config.

If you were going to do that AMD's Tahiti would be narrowly piped at the post with 7 variants by NVidia GF108 with 8 variants. (there might be others but I cannot be bother to look.)

also as I said before you cannot include chips that were made on different size manufacturing processes as that are definitely not rebrands.
 
SimBy said:
When budgets are tight you have to prioritize. I know that majority of R&D budget went for 'Zen'. And then there is Fiji with HBM and interposer.
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If we stay on GPU ground, i think the resources going into the 14nm parts, thats the smart thing to do...why spend a lot on a whole new lineup a year before the die shrink..it wont even bring enough profit before rendered obsolete by the new cards...and you don't want to fall behind nvidia on the die shrink
 
bru said:
You cannot count the 8800GT it had less shaders
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Technically it didn't, it just had 16 disabled but I'm just going by what the review sites said at the time:

In the beginning there was the GeForce 8800 GT, and we were happy.

Then, we then got a faster version: the 8800 GTS 512MB. It was more expensive, but we were still happy.

And then it got complicated.

The original 8800 GT, well, it became the 9800 GT. Then they overclocked the 8800 GTS and it turned into the 9800 GTX. Now this made sense, but only if you ignored the whole this was an 8800 GT to begin with thing.

The trip gets a little more trippy when you look at what happened on the eve of the Radeon HD 4850 launch. NVIDIA introduced a slightly faster version of the 9800 GTX called the 9800 GTX+. Note that this was the smallest name change in the timeline up to this point, but it was the biggest design change; this mild overclock was enabled by a die shrink to 55nm.

All of that brings us to today where NVIDIA is taking the 9800 GTX+ and calling it a GeForce GTS 250.

But this is quite OT now so lets just agree to disagree on this.
 
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Martini1991 said:
But this is a bit difference if it's being the highest tier card type thing?
When the 7970 was rebranded, it was calling the 280X, with two cards above it.
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HD 7970 > 280X: >290(Cut) >290X (Full)




R9 290X > 390X: > Fiji (Cut) > Fiji (Full)


Same thing happening this time. Pricing will determine if they are good value or not.
 
ubersonic said:
G92, it's actually still on sale :D

lets count the rebrands!:

8800GT 512MB
8800GTS 512MB - (overclocked 8800GT)
9800GTX 512MB - (overclocked 8800GTS)
9800GTX+ 512MB/1024MB - (overclocked die shrink of 9800GTX)
GTS250 512MB/1024MB - (straight rename of 9800GTX+)
GTS250 Green 512MB/1024MB - (low power variant of GTS250)
Chinese GTX780 2048MB - (see below)

That last one is not a joke, the sixth rebrand is advertised online as a GTX780 by Chinese manufacturers but it's really a GTS250 Green albeit with 2GB RAM (somebody actually ordered it and did a full benchmark/review lol)
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The good old G92 rebrands, what a ******* joke that was :D
 
SimBy said:
When budgets are tight you have to prioritize. I know that majority of R&D budget went for 'Zen'. And then there is Fiji with HBM and interposer.
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That's true but they're releasing an entire new product line with a completely different generation of name and rumoured price increases, what's the justification for doing that if they haven't even bothered to update the whole line to GCN 1.2 or 1.3 architecture? it'd be obviously just a money grab.

You can't just tinker with memory amounts and clockspeeds, slap a new name on and expect to get away with it, if they haven't updated 390X to at least GCN 1.2 they're finished.

Rebrands are justified imo if you're just filling a hole at the bottom end of a line-up but at the high end you expect newly released cards to have close to the latest technology on offer.
 
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bru said:
It is exactly that, surely AMD cannot be that daft. I really hope your right and AMD really have done some more tweaking rather than just a slight clock bump. :)




I imagine this thread will be closed by the mods before there is too much "I told you so" allowed :eek:
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If AMD do rebrand them and try to sell them at GTX 970/980 tier cards i will concede AMD really have lost the plot so completely.
They just wouldn't be able to sell them, at all, they must know this, they ain't selling them now at £230 and they must know such a move will make them a laughing stock

If they are going to sell them as mid range sub £200 to replace the 280 tier then fine.

But i don't think they need to do that as OEM's have been buying up R9 200 Series stock, on the cheap no doubt and crucially renaming them 300 series.
 
humbug said:
If AMD do rebrand them and try to sell them at GTX 970/980 tier cards i will concede AMD really have lost the plot so completely.
They just wouldn't be able to sell them, at all, they must know this, they ain't selling them now at £230 and they must know such a move will make them a laughing stock

If they are going to sell them as mid range sub £200 to replace the 280 tier then fine.

But i don't think they need to do that as OEM's have been buying up R9 200 Series stock, on the cheap no doubt and crucially renaming them 300 series.
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Which is i have to say rather strange for instance the 970 vs 290
970 only better in power consumption, but 290 is better a higher resolutions
With custom coolers not hotter or louder.
 
Bonjour said:
It is looking increasingly like a straight-up rebrand tbh. I had my fears when it emerged the 380 is essentially a 285 with (potentially) more VRAM.
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People keep saying that but has anyone actually been able to explain why, or are they just repeating the same baseless stuff over and over again?

OEM's have the 200 series GPU's and it is they who have named them 300 series. there is absolutely nothing to suggest AMD are going to sell the same cards OEM's have as retail, can anyone explain how they are so convinced they are, with nothing to go on.
 
Bonjour said:
It is looking increasingly like a straight-up rebrand tbh. I had my fears when it emerged the 380 is essentially a 285 with (potentially) more VRAM.
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Does it actually matter though.

With the 2XX series AMD re-branded the previous flagship 'HD 7970' to the R9 280X and introduced two new high end flagship cards, R9 290 and R9 290X. This was enough to take on the Nvidia Titan (Top card at the time).

Now AMD is re-branding the 290X 4GB/8GB, to the 390X 8GB and introducing two new flagship cards, the AMD Fiji (Cut) and AMD Fiji (Full chip) to take on Nvidia's current flagships.

If these cards are competitive at the various price points who cares if a lower down card is rebranded..
 
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