Possible Radeon 390X / 390 and 380X Spec / Benchmark (do not hotlink images!!!!!!)

[Mal X]

What's your source for any of this? From what I've seen there's been no mention of the 980ti Spec or even if that's the name that it will carry from Nvidia themselves just rumours about the net from the usual suspect sites.

What you've wrote is just plain speculation with no facts at all, for all we know the 390x may be the best card of all time or the worst card of all time but until AMD release details anything that anybody comes out with is just plain guess work or speculation and those that are claiming Nvidia have finished their cut down version of the card and will release it a day later as a cheaper alternative are just guessing/making it up/hopeful.

For the record I would love it if you were correct and they did as it would make my decision a lot easier.

yes true it's speculation, but i bet it's right, because it deffo feels right.

you can bet your last dollar that Nvidia are waiting to see the 390X and if so, they're waiting for one reason only.

to re-release the Titan X at less than the 390X, With the RAM reduced to 6GB.

why should Nvidia release another card that's similar to a 980, that needs loads of R&D first, when they already have the tried and tested TX, it's far easier to re-release the same card.....but yea speculation only, just like the whole of this thread

 

[Breeze]

sod it, i may as well get TX as soon as new stock comes in

Please do. Hopefully this means we won't have to read the same rubbish from you each day in numerous threads.

 

[D.P.]

Lol, AMD couldn't get away with pricing a card for £750.
If (big if) it happens to offer TX performance it'll be priced around the £500-550 mark ($699 would be my actual guess) that's also providing Nvidia don't release a lower tier Titan.

On the subject on wanting the card now, i don't plan on owning another AMD card for a while. Not until they've fixed the problems with 144hz@1440 etc.

You are right that AMD can't sell a Titan X beating 390X (if they had one which is more or less impossible) because the make simply doesn't see that value in AMD car, but I doubt it will as cheap as £500 if it beats the TX. AMD want to sell the 390x at a high a price point as possible that still generates significant sales, maximizing their profit.

They wont want to sell it at massive less than TX prices but they will likely be forced to do that due to both performance and perceived market value. Plus the 980Ti will force AMD to price lower.

 

[Ayahuasca]

I'd like to see AMD price their top end card near the Titan X if it can offer similar or better performance then see who buys them, a lot of AMD fans comment on the outrageous pricing of the TX but I bet some of them would buy an AMD card at that price and try to justify it.

 

[D.P.]

AMD have been using the 390 cards for numerous demos for several months, so its likely they are just waiting for something else before announcing it and releasing. Win10 maybe?

Possible but Nvidia and AMD often demo cards that arent final silcon but engineering samples. Yields might be to low, there might be bugs, there might be heat problems, there might be issues surrounding HBM, there might be manufacturing issues due to HBM. They definitely will have some cards that do work, but that doesn't mean they are ready for mass production.



It seems incredibly unlikely that AMD have the cards ready for months and are happy to let the market share flood to Nvidia simply due to over supplied channel issues. The 390X should be decently faster than the 290X, thereofre can sell at a much higher price and therefore there is no need to delay the 390X. The lower end 380 370 cards for sure might want to be delayed until old stock is out bu there is absolutely no reason to delay the high end part and let Nvidia gain market share with massive profit margins.

IF AMD are purposely delaying the 390X to clear channels then their CEO needs firing and the shareholders should start legal proceedings for gross mismanagement.


The much simpler explanation is the 390X is simply not ready yet. that doesn't even mean it is delayed. AMD's timeline may have always been June. HBM is a new tech and they likely knew it would be ready before the summer. MAD"s busisness model may be going to plan. The issue is by holding out for HBM then they loose market share to Nvidia, the question is will AMD gain in the future by getting this head start? Nvidia will have to integrate HBM on a completely new core and completely new die process. That is harder to do, but Nvidia are betting the HBM early adopter bugs are ironed out, that the increased time to deployment gives them more time to test (you can bet Nvidia have sample chips with HBM to play with), and since HBM is incoporporated from the ground up in the design they may be able to eak out more performance rather than tacking it on to an old core design like the 390X.

 

[humbug]

You are right that AMD can't sell a Titan X beating 390X (if they had one which is more or less impossible) because the make simply doesn't see that value in AMD car, but I doubt it will as cheap as £500 if it beats the TX. AMD want to sell the 390x at a high a price point as possible that still generates significant sales, maximizing their profit.

They wont want to sell it at massive less than TX prices but they will likely be forced to do that due to both performance and perceived market value. Plus the 980Ti will force AMD to price lower.

Pretty much this, AMD know all to well that undercutting Nvidia isn't working.

By comparison they are still low volume.

They may give up on fighting for market share, the best way forward for them is to find the median in their consumer market value.

Its better for them if they increase their margins if it results in higher profits, even if they lose more market share as a result.

 

[D.P.]

I'd like to see AMD price their top end card near the Titan X if it can offer similar or better performance then see who buys them, a lot of AMD fans comment on the outrageous pricing of the TX but I bet some of them would buy an AMD card at that price and try to justify it.

Of course they will. AMD fanboys are deluded in thinking AMD is some kind of charity that sells cards cheap for the good of mankind. They are business just like Nvidia and have the same goals of maximizing profits. They would love to sell cards at Nvidia prices and CPUs at Intel prices

 

[fs123]

No way will AMD price any single core card the same as TX. It just wouldn't sell in the quantities they need to regain market share. I can see a 395X2 going for that much but a 390X should be around gtx 980 prices or a bit higher if performance is better.

 

[Gregster]

The biggest problem AMD have is winning market share from nVidia. Seems a few have switched and are very happy, so although AMD branding is cheap and cheerful, they need to price low to tempt people back from nVidia. They will also be competing with the 980, the Titan X and the 980Ti. Going to be a tough time for them.

 

[mmj_uk]

I'd like to see AMD price their top end card near the Titan X if it can offer similar or better performance then see who buys them, a lot of AMD fans comment on the outrageous pricing of the TX but I bet some of them would buy an AMD card at that price and try to justify it.

A small number maybe but unfortunately for AMD the majority of their customer base only support them because they're cheap, if AMD try to command top dollar they'll just be isolating their most loyal customer base and those who already buy NVidia will be even less likely to switch. You only have to look at when they tried to sell FX9590 for £900 to see the outcome, none of them touched it with a barge pole and bought FX8350 (or even FX8320 to save another £20) instead.

 

[D.P.]

Pretty much this, AMD know all to well that undercutting Nvidia isn't working.

By comparison they are still low volume.

They may give up on fighting for market share as clearly thats not working, the best way forward for them is to find the median in their consumer market value.

Its better for them if they increase their margins if it results in higher profits, even if they lose more market share as a result.

Certainly nothign wrong with being a lower volume seller with high profit margins.

In the Camera world Sony, Olympus, Panasonic, Fuji, Pentax are all loosing huge amounts of money the race to the lowest price cameras with minimal profit margins. Leica with its outrageous profit margins is an extremely healthy company despite tiny sales.

AMD might do well getting a high revenue low profit mass produced low end APU/console sales combined with niche product high-profit margin discrete GPUs. Trying to gain 40% market share from their current position looks untenable since they are coming to market after nVidia. I have pointed out this before, even if AMD make a card that performs a little better than the 70/980s and costs a little less, you aren't going to get a load of 970/980 owners to suddenly sell their card and switch for small improvements,. It isn't a comparison of product A vs B, but do I sell product A making a loss and buy new product B that although is good value will still cost more than what I sold my 980 at?

 

[easyrider]

I've got a good feeling about the 390x ....I think some feathers will be ruffled...

 

[humbug]

The biggest problem AMD have is winning market share from nVidia. Seems a few have switched and are very happy, so although AMD branding is cheap and cheerful, they need to price low to tempt people back from nVidia. They will also be competing with the 980, the Titan X and the 980Ti. Going to be a tough time for them.

Exactly, which for their own good its why they should stop doing that.

Cutting their own margins to nothing in fighting for market share is daft.

There is a median somewhere where AMD have higher profits with higher margins than they do with higher volumes (or not) and lower margins.

They need to break their price war dead lock with Nvidia and just find their own consumer market value.

 

[easyrider]

Exactly, wich for their own good its why they should stop doing that.

Cutting thier own margins to nothing in fighting for market share is daft.

There is a median somewhere where AMD have higher profits with higher margins than they do with higher volumes (or not) and lower margins.

They need to break their price war dead lock with Nvidia and just find their own consumer market value.

Price is dictated by speed ....that's it....

 

[humbug]

Price is dictated by speed ....that's it....

Well no its not, (just for the sake of argument) do you really think that a 390X 10% faster than a Titan-X will sell in the same volumes at 10% more expensive?

Of course not.

But AMD might sell it in the same sort of volumes at £650 as they would at £550. certainly not £950.

 

[easyrider]

Well no its not, (just for the sake of argument) do you really think that a 390X 10% faster than a Titan-X will sell in the same volumes at 10% more expensive?

Of course not.

But AMD might sell it in the same sort of volumes at £650 as they would at £550. certainly not £950.

All that would happen is the Titan would drop in price ...it's basic economics...

The Titan x is not worth 1k ...but they can charge that until something comes along to rival it...

People want the fastest...it's fickle ...it's business...

If the 390x comes in 10 percent faster than Titan x AMD wouldnt charge more than 599

This would crush Titan x sales overnight...

 

[Orangey]

Titan dropping in price... hasn't happened before, unless you count the Z.

They'll EOL it to save their ego and come up with some frankenstein stopgap but not drop prices.

It'll stay at its unadjusted price of ~£800, the Ti will compete with 390X on price if need be.

 

[bru]

IF AMD are purposely delaying the 390X to clear channels then their CEO needs firing and the shareholders should start legal proceedings for gross mismanagement.

I know it not related or even the same thing, but this comment did make me think of this piece of news from yesterday.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9132/amd-to-face-securities-fraud-lawsuit

 

[Orangey]

Apparently Powercolor have no chips/boards left to make PCS+s so I wonder how much stock could even be left floating around?

All I can think is that they are struggling with the drivers, maybe because of the new tech, and don't want to demo it properly or risk promising something they might not be able to deliver on launch.

 

[humbug]

I know it not related or even the same thing, but this comment did make me think of this piece of news from yesterday.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9132/amd-to-face-securities-fraud-lawsuit

Investors want to know how well or not a company will do in the future, especially when they launch a new product.

AMD expected Llano to do well, that much is obvious as they over produced them, they had to write $100m worth of Llano chips off, scrap them.

So this is what they told them, they couldn't tell them "Llano is going to sell like fresh Dog Poo"

From that perspective AMD couldn't win, they expected it to do well, they manufactured in such quantities, they were wrong.
At the end of the day investment is not too unlike gambling, you take a punt that you might make a profit.

Only in America can you sue someone for your own stupidity.

Hopefully though the judge will have the good sense to rule that AMD's expectations were genuine.
Investors gambled and lost.