I always take this corner fairly slow as I've come across pedestrians middle of the corner at like 2am only visible by their phone screens, broken down cars on the apex, etc. but fortunately the van driver coming the other way gave me a heads up as well.
Aside from trying to get themselves killed absolutely no idea what the cyclists were doing.
For some reason looks like I was going a lot faster than I was in this video (I was more than 10mph under the speed limit going into the corner) - was not a good moment at all as heavy braking while in a corner like that ain't a good idea and for some reason my brain just froze for a second with how unexpected it was. Fortunately nothing coming the other way or that would have ended very differently.
Aside from trying to get themselves killed absolutely no idea what the cyclists were doing.
For some reason looks like I was going a lot faster than I was in this video (I was more than 10mph under the speed limit going into the corner) - was not a good moment at all as heavy braking while in a corner like that ain't a good idea and for some reason my brain just froze for a second with how unexpected it was. Fortunately nothing coming the other way or that would have ended very differently.
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I was thinking the same thing, he was in lane 2 for a long time when the next car was ages away.
I'd certainly be over as soon as I overtook the first car but I see people hogging lane 2 all the time.
Never said you had to justify yourself to me, although it looks like you’re trying to.Not sure what you are on about. I see him in my rear view mirror inches from my arse so I move back over and at the time he's following me over and going for the undertake. If I had kept going I would have hit him but I stopped moving left. I wasn't about to just swing back into lane 2 in case someone else was there and cause a crash that way.
If I was a typical dashcam owner I would have already had the footage off the dashcam and all over the net 2 months ago.
Yes he was driving like an idiot and I don't have to justify myself to you.
This is really simple stuff. He’s driving an Astra, not a Veyron. If the first time you saw him he was a few inches from your bumper, you weren’t paying enough attention, simple as that. You easily had enough time to see what he was doing when moving back over too, and considering you said he was already driving dangerously, you should have been prepared for the fact that he may well be about to do something stupid.
The second video you posted just confirms what I already said. You went to the effort of downloading it off your dashcam, and uploading it to YouTube, and it’s a total non event. You were sitting in the outside lane, which you will no doubt say was to let people from the slip road join: fair enough. He joins, decides he wants to go faster than you, and does so without causing any issue - that’s literally it.
I have no interest in criticising anyone’s driving under normal circumstances - we all make mistakes and as I said before, I’m far from a perfect driver myself. But I acknowledge that, and therefore don’t go around uploading videos of other people’s poor driving to YouTube.
If you have a dashcam so that you can make your life easier from an insurance perspective in the event of an accident where the other driver tries to lie and blame you, then that’s understandable, albeit quite a lot of bother for something that’s a very rare occurrence. What I’ll never understand though are the people who buy them to upload videos to YouTube and send them to the police - it seems like a very strange hobby.
You're sitting in Lane 2 far too long, there was no traffic in Lane 1, therefore you should have moved over.
2 sides to every story, but Astra man is probably bad mouthing you saying, "there he is again, never pulls over and here i go again having to undertake to get past".
2 wrongs don't make a right and he is clearly in the wrong, but i don't think you are helping the situation.
2 sides to every story, but Astra man is probably bad mouthing you saying, "there he is again, never pulls over and here i go again having to undertake to get past".
2 wrongs don't make a right and he is clearly in the wrong, but i don't think you are helping the situation.
You’re not using the dual carriageway properly and keeping left unless carrying out an overtaking manoeuvre. Which makes other more impatient drivers rather frustrated and they’ll make an undertake and/or drive erratically.
I don’t think either of you can really justify your driving, both very poor. But it’s a good example of why having a dashcam can shoot you in the foot somewhat.
But there was a car behind you. We just watched it undertake you because you were sitting in lane 2. Am I missing something?
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You're going have to learn to go back over to lane 1 once you've completed your manoeuvre and the next vehicle is a good distance away.
You're going have to learn to go back over to lane 1 once you've completed your manoeuvre and the next vehicle is a good distance away.
You're very quick on the defensive. I said it looks like both of you are in the wrong, him more than you as he performed a dangerous manoeuvre, but you are also to blame as you are hogging lane 2.
I guess you're one of those people who must be right and can't see things from a different perspective.
"You should always drive in the left-hand lane when the road ahead is clear. If you are overtaking a number of slower-moving vehicles, you should return to the left-hand lane as soon as you are safely past. Slow-moving or speed-restricted vehicles should always remain in the left-hand lane of the carriageway unless overtaking. You MUST NOT drive on the hard shoulder except in an emergency or if directed to do so by the police, traffic officers in uniform or by signs."
From the Highway Code, this is quite useful as it covers both vehicles were in the wrong.
Not having a go, or trying to prove a point. I'm just saying, i BELIEVE, both drivers were at fault to some degree.
From the Highway Code, this is quite useful as it covers both vehicles were in the wrong.
Not having a go, or trying to prove a point. I'm just saying, i BELIEVE, both drivers were at fault to some degree.
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Yes he's mad but now looking at the first video it's possible that you were hogging lane 2 like you were in video 2.
I don't drive often but foolishly I've done my fair share of undertaking because of lane hoggers and it's a really stupid thing to do because the hoggers could just decide to pull over.
I hope you go from this and learn to go back to lane 1 once you've overtaken or gone past a slip road.
Yes he's mad but now looking at the first video it's possible that you were hogging lane 2 like you were in video 2.
I don't drive often but foolishly I've done my fair share of undertaking because of lane hoggers and it's a really stupid thing to do because the hoggers could just decide to pull over.
I hope you go from this and learn to go back to lane 1 once you've overtaken or gone past a slip road.
No. Get out of my way. You shouldn’t have still been in lane 2.
The only justification for staying in the middle or outside lane is if the inside lane is rutted to buggery and/or the road is completely empty and you’re not in anyone’s way. Until, of course they “suddenly come out of nowhere”
I'm definitely not claiming to be a perfect driver, as I've mentioned multiple times. Not sure what you mean with the website / council thing, that's gone right over my head I'm afraid.
So you're saying he should have joined into lane 1, slowed down to ensure he was going slower than you as you were already in lane 2, then waited on the off chance you were going to move over (not likely considering you were in lane 2 for ages anyway), then moved into lane 2 to pass you, the car he'd just slowed down for so that you could move over? Nobody in their right mind would bother doing that, and if there was more traffic it would actually be a pretty dangerous move.
I'm not even sure you can call what he did in the second video undertaking: it's not like the first video where he went from lane 2 to lane 1, then back to lane 2 to pass you. It's just normal use of the motorway.
I have no problem with you personally, although I probably would if you followed me through town like you did with the Astra guy, just because you didn't like my driving. I'd definitely try to shake you off as well, as any normal person would if they thought someone was following them.
It's funny how you can criticize all kinds of things with no problem, but the minute you start criticizing someone's driving, they get all defensive. I used to be like you, but after driving for a living, then driving in various places with terrible driving standards, you learn to let it all wash over you and not care about the actions of others, nor their opinion of you. It's very liberating, and everyone would be a lot happier if they tried it. There'd be a lot less dashcam videos on Youtube too.
I'm talking about your second video, where you're sitting in lane 2 for a very long time after your overtake. Longer than I would consider doing even with no cars approaching - a ridiculous amount of time for when there was a car behind clearly going faster than you.
The Astra came past you nearly 20 seconds after you completed your overtake, which is a huge amount of time on the road. Without excusing the Astra driver, that was very poor driving on your part.