Power to Mick Lynch

Voltar said:
So Joe public is going to all pile on the labour bandwagon? The party of the metropolitan elite or the striking workers. No middle ground any more…

The strikes have achieved what they wanted, they’ll get pay rises. The public won’t be able to do anything about the rubbish service or rising fares and will just be treated with contempt. As usual.

People should take notes and be more willing to unionise and go on strike tbh. Nothing else seems to work half as well or effectively.
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Nobody mentioned Labour. Not sure it makes much difference to people's feelings about the increasingly incompetent government and its constantly immoral leader really. :)
 
Voltar said:
So Joe public is going to all pile on the labour bandwagon? The party of the metropolitan elite or the striking workers. No middle ground any more…

The strikes have achieved what they wanted, they’ll get pay rises. The public won’t be able to do anything about the rubbish service or rising fares and will just be treated with contempt. As usual.

People should take notes and be more willing to unionise and go on strike tbh. Nothing else seems to work half as well or effectively.
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What is the available political alternative? Bring on PR I say.
 
Hagar said:
I'm embarrassed if that comes to pass. But yes most of my vinyl collection stems from 1971 or thereabouts.

Ted Heath upset the miners first in 1974 so when the miners strike in 1984 kicked off, it was to the death for Scargill. He unwisely took the miners out without a ballot in the middle of the year with the promise that no pit would close. Impossible.
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Government wanted to impose a secret ballot, maybe he could have played it differently, but he was right.
 
Hagar said:
'Much of' does not mean more than half, it indicates a significant proportion.
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Since it was actually half, and you even wrote the dates so you knew full well it was only half, why then use the term "much of" ? When quite clearly the truth was written by your own fingers... it was HALF the 70s. not "much of". Why the need to add vagaries to the truth?

It is interesting as a side-note that since the election in 1945 after the end of the war and the coalition government broke up, that Labour have been in power for a rough total of 30 years, while the Tories are sitting on almost 47 years (and still ongoing), 50% more than the time we have been governed by Labour, yet people cannot stop themselves from screaming "but but Labour!"

(As a side note, this is also far more what I would consider "much of" a whole... when 1 side has 50% more total time in power, that is indeed "much of" the whole. when both sides have been in power (in the timeframe in question) for pretty much exactly equal lengths of time, that is something I would not claim that one side was in control for "much of" the duration.)
 
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newbiejim said:
Government wanted to impose a secret ballot, maybe he could have played it differently, but he was right.
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It is off topic, but the only way that Scargill was right us that they wanted to close pits. In the event the strike probably was the death knell of many more pits. The pit deputies did not strike but by themselves they could not fully protect mines from flooding or roof collapses.
His demands that no pit should close in hindsight from the environmental standpoint of today is bizarre but even then it was understood that dozens would close even if they had workable coal to be won. Scargill was wrong, at the time and in history.
 
Hagar said:
It is off topic, but the only way that Scargill was right us that they wanted to close pits. In the event the strike probably was the death knell of many more pits. The pit deputies did not strike but by themselves they could not fully protect mines from flooding or roof collapses.
His demands that no pit should close in hindsight from the environmental standpoint of today is bizarre but even then it was understood that dozens would close even if they had workable coal to be won. Scargill was wrong, at the time and in history.
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Yes it is OT but I`m sure you`ll allow me last word ;) . He was right, he said they had a hit list, they denied it & lied, this was later found to be true, DYOR. Reality is they did close the whole industry. Citing environmental issues with hindsight is a tad disingenuous is it not.

Anyway, back OT.
 
Dyson said:
Every time I've seen Lynch on the television he's just enforced the negative feelings I have towards unions, he plays such a stereotypical role it's almost funny.
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Why would you have negative feelings towards institutions set up in an attempt to help protect workers from exploitation and crappy pay / work conditions? :confused: :confused:
 
Dyson said:
Every time I've seen Lynch on the television he's just enforced the negative feelings I have towards unions, he plays such a stereotypical role it's almost funny.
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Username checks out. How is that post brexit escape to Singapore working out for you?

I guess for you, ”feels” are reality and economics right?
 
Devilman said:
Why would you have negative feelings towards institutions set up in an attempt to help protect workers from exploitation and crappy pay / work conditions? :confused: :confused:
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Because they're not really fulfilling that role here, I get there is some nostalgia for them but we're not talking about exploited miners in the 1920s in a pit village but rather people who are already well paid wanting to get a bit more + stand in the way of modernisation.
 
Roar87 said:
Basically if there is a Tory government then the red hammer and sickle folk will just say anyone is underpaid if it makes the government look bad
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Boris said he wants to turn the UK into a High Wage, High Skill country... Why are you so dead set against people getting those "Higher Wages" ?
 
This country is so polarised that the working class actively indulge self harm to keep imaginary enemies at bay.

The ultimate irony being that The Tories are bankrolled by red hammer and sickle folk. They've managed to make this industrial action a stain on Labour, and for that you really need to doff your cap, because if they know one thing inside out, it's their audience.
 
Dyson said:
Every time I've seen Lynch on the television he's just enforced the negative feelings I have towards unions, he plays such a stereotypical role it's almost funny.
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As opposed to the so called journalists he's made look stupid. Piers Morgan's interview is a good example spending the majority talking about his profile picture on facebook as opposed to the issue in hand.

I havent see an interview yet that has put him in a bad light, he's called the Tories out and stated absolute facts. This isn't the houses of parliament, you can be called a liar and he has every right to call it out.

This isnt an interview with Lynch but a corker none the less. "please dont be Putins friend" I mean really? How much money have you and your mates been given by Russia again Tobias?

 
dowie said:
Because they're not really fulfilling that role here, I get there is some nostalgia for them but we're not talking about exploited miners in the 1920s in a pit village but rather people who are already well paid wanting to get a bit more + stand in the way of modernisation.
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Who are already well paid?
 
Dirk Diggler said:
This country is so polarised that the working class actively indulge self harm to keep imaginary enemies at bay.

The ultimate irony being that The Tories are bankrolled by red hammer and sickle folk. They've managed to make this industrial action a stain on Labour, and for that you really need to doff your cap, because if they know one thing inside out, it's their audience.
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And let us not forget that our esteemed leader, Boris, Put a bonafide "hammer and sickle folk" son of a KGB / FSB agent into the house of lords, against the advice of our intelligence services!


But, But, But......Those damn communists and their unions!! :cry: :cry:
 
dowie said:
Because they're not really fulfilling that role here, I get there is some nostalgia for them but we're not talking about exploited miners in the 1920s in a pit village but rather people who are already well paid wanting to get a bit more + stand in the way of modernisation.
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In which case, take umbrage with the current union(s) that are not fulfilling their role. To take issue with Unions as a whole and then have negative feelings towards All Unions because of it is both simplistic and stupid.

If however, they take issue with the idea of Unions as a whole, then they must have issue with the principles on which they were founded, which was to protect workers, give them better rights and more bargaining power to prevent poor treatment and poor wages. If anyone has issue with these principles on which unions were founded, they truly are an enemy of the people tbh.
 
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