Prince Andrew not served papers as they were handed to his police security.

Can't believe they told him to go private and fight this himself then go and pay her off for him, this has done the royal family zero favours in the public's eyes now.

Going public with the extended negative publicity and risking losing the civil case would be a far worse outcome.

Only hurfy thinks being innocent is a quality legal defence.

An important reason the UK binned the death penalty was the fact that innocent people were getting executed. Maybe circumstances sucked, their defence was poor, public opinion was highly biased and distorted the trial, all kinds of things.

If you don't like the possible outcomes you should avoid rolling the dice in court.
 
no west coast - he can get a netflix deal, blog, Oprah interview ; Edward, did Paris
presumably she can no longer make accusations against him in public.
 
Going public with the extended negative publicity and risking losing the civil case would be a far worse outcome.

Only hurfy thinks being innocent is a quality legal defence.

An important reason the UK binned the death penalty was the fact that innocent people were getting executed. Maybe circumstances sucked, their defence was poor, public opinion was highly biased and distorted the trial, all kinds of things.

If you don't like the possible outcomes you should avoid rolling the dice in court.
I've just read that a civil case has a lower barrier to be found guilty than a criminal case, If this is true unless you have rock solid evidence of your innocence you're basically guaranteed to lose.
 
It does make you think but didn't it go to a charity (eg not straight into her bank account), I was also under the impression she wasn't exactly poor already.

BBC reports both payment to her and to a charity:
A statement from their lawyers said the duke would pay an undisclosed sum to Ms Giuffre and make a "substantial donation" to Ms Giuffre's charity in support of victims' rights.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60397947
 
bbc is wrong - go and read the statement/pdf - just a charity contribution, other payments conjecture
as also confirmed lawyer r4 today am, who also added nuance that doc did not say when, or whom, had abused her.
 
Can't believe they told him to go private and fight this himself then go and pay her off for him, this has done the royal family zero favours in the public's eyes now.

Yup, I mean it's pretty stingy of them, it would have been a huge blow for him financially but if the queen is paying it off then it's rather meh... he's still basically gotten away with it(allegedly), had to step back from public life etc.. but he's avoided a court case and the queen has seemingly stumped up for the bill.

Perhaps they thought he had a good shot at ending it earlier, the thing she signed for Epstein or arguments re: jurisdiction or whatever so were happy for andy to try that approach for a bit first, in the end though that seems to have done more damage. Maybe they shouldn't have been so stingy and instead of going down the route of basically making her out to be a liar they should have made her an offer like this in the first place.

On her part I guess her expensive lawyers would rather get paid than have to risk not getting paid in a trial with an outcome that might well be a super-sized (if they win) but would no doubt be appealed, leading to more work and end up perhaps with a settlement anyway.

There are the inconvenient parts too like the alleged victim, in this case, was also later an alleged sex trafficker herself as an adult in the wider Epstein case, she allegedly recruited young girls for Epstein and there were apparent inconsistencies with her accounts. It wasn't necessarily a slam dunk.

Would have been amusing for the rest of us to see a court case over this though.

I've just read that a civil case has a lower barrier to be found guilty than a criminal case, If this is true unless you have rock solid evidence of your innocence you're basically guaranteed to lose.

Your conclusion is flawed. Criminal trials in the UK require proof beyond a reasonable doubt, civil cases are on the balance of probabilities, it's a lower standard but it doesn't imply you're at a huge disadvantage if sued. Similar standards in the US for civil cases AFAIK.

Alleged criminals can be found not guilty even if it is more likely than not that they did commit the crime, so long as there is some reasonable doubt there then... That doesn't wash in a civil case - see for example OJ Simpson being found not guilty of murder in the criminal trial but then being successfully sued in the civil case.
 
bbc is wrong - go and read the statement/pdf - just a charity contribution, other payments conjecture
as also confirmed lawyer r4 today am, who also added nuance that doc did not say when, or whom, had abused her.

That doesn't mean the BBC is wrong!

The statement does not say it is "just" a charity contribution, you need to read it again, just because it acknowledges a charity contribution doesn't mean there aren't other parts to the settlement that have not been made public, there is nothing in that document stating that that is the only financial part of the settlement, do you believe that she'll be paying for her own legal fees for example? Or that her Lawyers will just write them all off and not have them covered in the settlement?

Should be pretty obvious that there will be more to the settlement than a donation to charity.
 
That doesn't mean the BBC is wrong!
further is conjecture.

e: it's like the multi million payouts .. why would they be so out of line with epstein , ronaldo ...

e2: forgot - that as lawyer said any monies payed to her, as opposed to charity would be an admission of blame too
 
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further is conjecture.

Yes and just obvious common sense, you didn't answer the question - who do you think is paying the legal fees here for a start?

The main point though is you're clearly wrong to state the BBC is wrong, you don't know that and can't conclude that by simply linking to the statement as it doesn't exclude any of that "conjecture". In reality they're likely right or at least in the ball park re: the settlement.
 
further is conjecture.

e: it's like the multi million payouts .. why would they be so out of line with epstein , ronaldo ...

e2: forgot - that as lawyer said any monies payed to her, as opposed to charity would be an admission of blame too

Again read the statement, you're being incredibly naive here if you think here is just a charity contribution, as if the lawyers are all working for free for a start...

Virginia Giuffre and Prince Andrew have reached an out of court settlement. The parties will file a stipulated dismissal upon Ms. Giuffre’s receipt of the settlement (the sum of which is not being disclosed).

Ms Giuffre is due to receive a settlement, once she receives that undisclosed settlement then they will file a dismissal.

You've bizarrely focused on this additional part, that Andrew will make a donation to Ms Giuffre's charity and acted as though that is the only part of the settlement:

Prince Andrew intends to make a substantial donation to Ms. Giuffre’s charity in support of victims’ rights.

Those are separate statements, it doesn't follow that just because they've included mention of payment from Andrew to her charity that that is the only part of the settlement. There is also a specific mention of an undisclosed sum to be paid to her!
 
She was sex trafficked, that’s been proven in criminal court. Prince Andrew is in photos with her whilst she is being victimised and continued to pal around with Epstein post conviction. He is at the very least a rape apologist, and almost certainly a fellow rapist.
And? There's no proof there at all.
 
So we've paid for it considering all their money comes from us in one form or another. I really hope we can rid ourselves of these sponges when the queen pops her clogs.

I'm inclined to a similar opinion these days. The royal family bring nothing but embarrassment to this country now. Andrew is a vile self entitled creature indeed.

Only problem is, what is the alternative to the monarchy? In all likelihood, it would end up being worse :(
 
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