Pro Cycling Discussion Thread 2015

I think it'll be Froome and Contador fighting it out. Contador has been biding his time until now. We've seen it before where he'll just wake up one day and go on an absolute rampage and he'll regain a minute or more up some stupidly hard climb. That's where Froome's challenge will be. Quintana could be a threat as well, particularly given he has super-domestique Valverde to work for him. Nibali isn't even arsed, it seems.

Can't see Contador lasting until the end personally, I think he's biding his time because he's shagged from the Giro still. Nibbles is done for already imho, Quintana is still in with a great shout, although his bike handling is as dire as Froome's so wouldn't be surprised to see him come off at some stage and ruin his chances.

Don't know about TJV, bit of an unknown quantity imo.
 
BMC signing Porte.

I'm quite surprised by this as he was given quite a bit of freedom at Sky earlier in the year and really proved himself on some great stages. I was fairly sure he'd be staying there, but maybe there's not enough room now Roche and Thomas are really showing their form? Maybe that's it, BMC want a rider they can expect stage wins from?

Kwiat I hope comes to form as he is amazing but just hasn't shown much of his usual form so far.
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Tejay we have seen what he can do in the Dauphine and that was without a strong train on the mountains like what Froome had, here and now he has a stronger team so it's that battle I think will be the best :)

Kwiat currently seems wasted at QS, he's shown some strong riding but he's either not finding form or not being given any chances.

Agreed about TVG, I think the dueling in the mountains may even lose Froome the tour, although he does seem to have the form and team to beat anyone. Anything can happen! :D

Contador has been biding his time until now. We've seen it before where he'll just wake up one day and go on an absolute rampage and he'll regain a minute or more up some stupidly hard climb. That's where Froome's challenge will be.

Half agreed, can't decide what form he currently has (or he's hiding it, biding his time) as you're right sometimes he just switches it on when required and storms away! :eek:
 
TTT world champs snatching up the Australian TT champ, it is a nice fit. I like BMC, Porte is a cool character to add to their roster and I like it.

Would love to see Kwiat in a Sky jersey but Froome, Thomas, Kwiat all riding for Sky.... Porte out and Kwiat in does sort of make sense when you think about it! Personally, I would love to see Kwiat ride for Lotto Jumbo, I like those dudes a lot and it fits well I think. But I don't think anyone outside of the BIG teams will net Kwiat, he is more likely going to remain at EQS than any other scenario I reckon. His forms not been amazing this year, he won Amstel Gold I think it was and had good rides in the spring but people expected more I think.

Kristoff is not signed up for next year yet. That could be an interesting one! He's been quiet in the tour thus far but his spring classic season was insane, everyone will be wanting him.

EDIT - It's rest day so we can talk riders contracts instead I guess today? :D
 
If Sky sign Landa as mooted then you'd think he would be automatic team leader for the Giro/Vuelta, so Porte doesn't really have a spot left. I'd guess BMC are looking for a GC leader for the other GTs so Porte would fill that role. I think Porte knows he's not good enough to win the Tour, but he could probably win a Giro or Vuelta depending on the field.

Kwiatowksi is a strange one, not sure whether he will be a stage or one day racer at this stage. I guess at Sky he could do either following their stronger showings in the Classics this year.

Sky are going to have a ridiculous team if they get Kwia and Landa in though.
 
I never used to find time trials interesting to watch until i actually got into the sport rather than just watching it because it was on. It's really cool to watch the concentration and the effort it takes to just ride on your own against the clock, with no one's wheel to suck and no peloton to hide in. TTTs are often more fun because you get to see the tactics too and how well a team is working together, whether they're right on each other's wheel and taking turns as smoothly as possible or constantly speeding up and slowing down to close gaps, all over the road.
 
Poor news for Ivan Basso. His Mum died of cancer as well. During the documentary on CSC (I can't recall the title), Basso is seen getting a personal call from Armstrong offering support to his Mum.

Ivan used to ride a lot better in those days...
 
Team Sky believe Froomes data has been hacked

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jul/14/chris-froome-team-sky-tour-de-france-dave-brailsford

I think there's a chance Froome could have been doping hense the missed test earlier this year and now Team Sky are trying to cover it up because they know Froome is gonna give the mountains a good blast today!

Regardless, if he wins today, he's doping, if he loses today, hes doping. It's a lose lose they just need to focus on the racing.
 
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Team Sky believe Froomes data has been hacked

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jul/14/chris-froome-team-sky-tour-de-france-dave-brailsford

I think there's a chance Froome could have been doping hense the missed test earlier this year and now Team Sky are trying to cover it up because they know Froome is gonna give the mountains a good blast today!

Regardless, if he wins today, he's doping, if he loses today, hes doping. It's a lose lose they just need to focus on the racing.

That's a story out of nothing.

When did the data get grabbed? Who grabbed it? What data did they get a hold of? Without knowing any of that sort of info the Guardian cannot make any assumptions or story out of this, yet they have! Morons.

They are fabricating nonsense as well on that article saying journo's were hanging around the motorhome trying to catch Froome sleeping in it. I mean come on, I bet all the teams have journo's hanging around the area they are staying trying to interview/picture them. Are they REALLY there trying to catch him sleeping in there to rat him out to the UCI? Team Sky aren't stupid enough to risk that, journo's aren't stupid enough to hang about hoping for that and fans aren't stupid enoughn to believe the tripe the Guardian writes.....
 
Team Sky believe Froomes data has been hacked

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jul/14/chris-froome-team-sky-tour-de-france-dave-brailsford

I think there's a chance Froome could have been doping hense the missed test earlier this year and now Team Sky are trying to cover it up because they know Froome is gonna give the mountains a good blast today!

Regardless, if he wins today, he's doping, if he loses today, hes doping. It's a lose lose they just need to focus on the racing.

I'm of the mind that most of the peleton aren't clean, Froome included, but I don't think his power data will prove too much, unless its clear he's been doing a bunch of 7.5w/kg efforts which I doubt.

There was a video that was uploaded with his Ventoux performance last year and his numbers overlaid, would have been interesting to see that, but it was removed quickly after the news broke.
 
Doing some digging about, something these absolute idiots who work for newspapers should do and write a proper article than the drivel they have produced :rolleyes:

This is interesting -
Ross Tucker@Scienceofsport The first rest day of the Tour de France produced, as usual, some off-the-bike stories, but in 6 years of covering the race, I can't recall such a bizarre sequence of events as this one. About five days ago, Antoine Vayer, he who provoked Brailsford into calling performance analysis "pseudoscience", started to post graphs on Twitter showing Froome's power output and heart rate on his climb of Ventoux in 2013. They include an attack, off a base of long periods of 400W, up to 1000W, and maintaining 600W during attacks. During this period, his heart rate barely changes - 157 pre-attack, 161 post. Next, someone industrious managed to take a file of the raw data and synchronize it to video footage of the ride, so that you could see, second by second, how speed, HR, altitude and power changed. It was fascinating to watch - in fact, it's a model for how the broadcast should look. I'd love to provide you with the link to this video, but Sky's lawyers have had it removed, and have had the twitter account of this person removed too, which I find an absolutely extraordinary response. The data by itself didn't mean all that much, and if it was fabricated, just say so. Or heaven forbid, use the opportunity to explain and gain some points for the now extinct concept of transparency in the sport. There are many possible explanations for the dislinkage between power output and HR, by the way. He may already have been very close to his maximal heart rate (but then you have to say, that's a mighty fine effort to ride Ventoux at 95% of max in the third week of a Grand Tour). Perhaps the HR was faulty, maybe it's irrelevant or typical for an elite rider attacking to peak power off threshold power. It's probably not worth overplaying. The power output data is really interesting though - back then, we estimated the power on that climb to be 389W (or 388W using Dr Ferrari's method), and I can assure you, having seen the raw file with second-by-second data (it's doing the rounds), that the estimate is well, very exact. I'm hesitant to post exact figures because Sky's legal team had a person's entire account removed, even though this data is all on the internet already. The response has been amazing. As in 2013, the data was first dismissed as fabricated. Then as hacked (which is a tacit acknowledgement of its validity). Or maybe irrelevant. The usual attacks that it proves nothing came, to which I'd respond by saying "welcome to a six-year long conversation, take a side-order of context with that indignation". Fact is, we've been here before, and it's the reaction more than the revelation that is so amazing. Finally, back in 2013, it was a remarkable performance, and putting it to concrete numbers is probably unlikely to sway you from whatever you believed (or want to believe) to begin with. I wish the opaque curtain of PR & legal action could be lifted. Today was not a good day for winning the minds of a watching public, or for the believability of the sport. Long live transparency. Ross

This was the video of the power overlay of Mount Ventoux in 2013 but is since removed, and the Twitter account of the fella has been binned as well apparently. How can a legal team for Team Sky get this level of stuff done so quickly? - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99dqfiQcbio&feature=youtu.be

The numbers being chucked about using Dr Ferrari estimations are around 388W avg for that Ventoux climb, there are W/KG details being mentioned but it can only be guess work as who knows what Froome weighed? Surely he was around 60-62kg? 6.25W/KG for the top GC guy attacked on Ventoux, anyone else not really think that figure is so super human as being made out for riders of the caliber?

The other factor we have is they are basing all this on a youtube video with a HR overlay, could easily be totally false and made up, anyone can make a video with overlay. They focus on the lack of change in the HR of Froome but as above, is the data real, and who even knows what his max HR is?

It's all pretty mental.
 
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