PRO EVO 2008 demo market place

Mr Men said:
Fifa is way too slow, not only in player movement, but the ball speed, seriously have you watched any football in the last few years? Fifa is like football in the 50's slow and no pace, Pro Evo has it pretty much spot on, using the pacey players opens the game up, Fifa just feels stuck in mud no matter who you have running and the speed of the passing is just laughable.
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In your opinion, which is fair enough.

I feel that saying Fifa is way too slow is an exaggeration. A little slow yes, but not by much.

In the same way, PES is a little too fast /arcadey in my opinion.

As for the passing speed, I assume you tried turning of the cpu assisted passing direction / power options in the demo ? Don't see anything wrong with it here, except for crosses from the wings being a bit ' floaty ' at times.

And yes, I've watch plenty of football in the last few years, seriously....
 
Mr Men said:
Your the one making things up to try and justify your stance, now why would someone do that? Obviously to either cause an argument or just to troll and seek a reaction.

If your not a troll then why are you making up things about the game? Pretty sad but just shows how desperate you are to put Pro Evo down, and off course makes your opinion seem just that little bit weak. Now if you really have nothing to add to the thread other than fanboyish lies then just do something else instead.
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What have I made up? Try it yourself and see, I have actually ran the length of the pitch on both games, its not hard to do.

You started the trolling with your "zomg, fifa got pwnd again!" comment, if you actually read my comments I have said that PES2007 looks to be a very good game, with both worth buying.

I await your apology once you have ran the length of the pitch in both games and see that FIFA is more accurate.
 
MoodyB said:
In your opinion, which is fair enough.

I feel that saying Fifa is way too slow is an exaggeration. A little slow yes, but not by much.

In the same way, PES is a little too fast /arcadey in my opinion.

As for the passing speed, I assume you tried turning of the cpu assisted passing direction / power options in the demo ? Don't see anything wrong with it here, except for crosses from the wings being a bit ' floaty ' at times.

And yes, I've watch plenty of football in the last few years, seriously....
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I think it's way too slow, as keep saying feels like your stuck in mud or quicksand, and yes I turned all the assists off never made the game any quicker at all, passing still way too slow. Pro Evo is not too quick at all, players are quick these days, Ronaldo breaking from the halfway line to the edge of the box is spot on in Pro Evo, Fifa he is about 2 seconds slower than in real life .
How anyone can claim Fifa is a sim just makes me laugh, neither of them are sims, not even close, never going to be close for many years.
 
InwardSinging said:
Fifa is realistic in terms of ball speed and moving about the pitch. Pro Evolution is speeded up and arcadey in comparison.

You obviously havent watched much football if you think Pro Evo has it spot on, a football pitch is between 90-120m in length, the pitches that are in pro evo would be on the larger side of this, so lets say 110m. You can run from one end of the pitch to the other in pro evo in about 8 or 9 seconds, which even a world record holder could not do.

Pro Evo - Arcade football game, Fifa 2008 - Football simulation. Two different games offering different types of games, I can see why one appeals more than the other, it depends what people want.
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Couldnt agree more.

I will say one thing PES has much better player likeness but skin textures are awful compared to Fifa.

Also pass around on PES its like Pong the ball flings across like its on marble floor. PES you just run (speed is to fast and is ridiculous but i would say Fifa is tad slow) hoof ball in. Fifa plays much more methodical game and for me much more realistic in a lot of areas.

Also Ball physics in PES certainly dosnt have all physics Fifa has and if can provide me proof it does i will apologize.

Physics of the game - and in FIFA 08 on next-gen, they are incredible. A ten-page booklet was produced in-house at EA Canada to describe how shots on goal needed to be calculated by the engine, and all of it was programmed into the game. The velocity of the player's foot, the spin on the ball as it approaches the player, even something called the Reynolds Effect all adds up to where the shot goes (for the nerdy among us, the Reynolds Effect is where the ball is struck so hard that for the first ten yards or so no spin is applied to the ball, but once the ball goes past a certain distance, the ball will slow enough for the spin to take affect and curve as you want it to - got a headache yet? I have, can I sue myself?). So if the ball slices off a foot, you won't see a perfect shot - the ball will roll dejectedly to the corner flag.
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Id be very surprised if PES even makes 2 pages of a booklet on shooting tbh.

Now we come to AI

The revamped AI has been designed to copy what happens on a real football pitch, at all different levels (so you'll never find a lower-league team playing Brazilian-style football). Everything that is going on around you is built to recreate what happens in real life. 35 decisions are made by the AI with every frame of animation, which means around 1000 decisions per second are considered by the CPU-controlled players. A "threat map" constantly assesses what is happening around the players meaning that the opposition are designed to push you into safer areas or snuff out the danger entirely - just like real life.
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all info sourced from this article (you can call it media hype but these are facts like it or not)

http://www.fifasoccerblog.com/2007/09/fifa-08-next-gen-new-features.html

Sorry but just that alone trollops over PES AI and even Shooting physics i could go on but im not going to. PES is good game and no doubt will be blast but for people to dismiss what Fifa brings is ridiculous because does stuff so much better yes not perfect but certainly not bad imo.
 
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InwardSinging said:
I await your apology once you have ran the length of the pitch in both games and see that FIFA is more accurate.
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InwardSinging said:
You can run from one end of the pitch to the other in pro evo in about 8 or 9 seconds, which even a world record holder could not do.
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It takes near enough 8 seconds to sprint from the halfway line to the end of the pitch with Robinho, your a liar and everyone now knows it.

Do you want custard with your humble pie? As I said your making things up, you ain't done it or you would not make such comments that are so easily proven to be lies.
 
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Mr Men said:
It takes near enough 8 seconds to sprint from the halfway line to the end of the pitch with Robinho, your a liar and everyone now knows it.

Do you want custard with your humble pie? As I said your making things up, you ain't done it or you would not make such comments that are so easily proven to be lies.
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I have done it, but you obviously havent, your making yourself look quite the fool here Mr Men, quite the fool indeed.
 
InwardSinging said:
I have done it, but you obviously havent, your making yourself look quite the fool here Mr Men, quite the fool indeed.
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Your a liar, and now everyone can go do it and see who is the fool, start a game as Brazil, Robinho gets the ball right from kick off, turn around and sprint, get someone to time it, nearly 8 seconds till he gets to the goal line, 8 seconds, yet your claiming you ran the whole length of the pitch in 8 seconds LOL

Bizarre behaviour, really set yourself up for a big fall.
 
Oh yeah, wonder if they'll sort out the AI as well. In the last game, your keeper would take a free kick on the edge of his own box, then proceed to sprint up the pitch? Not to mention how often the computer runs 30 yards offside, so when you take control of the player in a 2 player co-op game you are struggling to bring him back on.

Linesman decisions were crap as well, your player would be a pixel offside and it'd be given... what happened to 'clear daylight'

There were too many annoying issues in 6. Didn't stop me playing it mind.
 
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Mr Men said:
Your a liar, and now everyone can go do it and see who is the fool, start a game as Brazil, Robinho gets the ball right from kick off, turn around and sprint, get someone to time it, nearly 8 seconds till he gets to the goal line, 8 seconds, yet your claiming you ran the whole length of the pitch in 8 seconds LOL

Bizarre behaviour, really set yourself up for a big fall.
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And your saying that in real life, Robinho can sprint 60m with a ball in under 8 seconds? :p:p:p

Fifa - Sim
Pro Evo - Arcade game.
 
InwardSinging just give up mate,theres no way you can ever make Mr Men change his mind about PES.He loves it too much.I would have given up time ago.

On topic seems everyone is having trouble downloading this,I'm on a 512k broadband so it will take me time and I'm off to Uni tomorrow morning so I doubt I'll get this demo downloaded in time.Owels,Fifa 08 demo will do for a week or so.
 
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