Soldato
I bet they've got really noisy light switches too!
Problem With Upstairs Neighbours Young Child
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I bet they've got really noisy light switches too!
As mentioned, we have only been in the property less than 2 years. We wouldn’t lose any money but it doesn’t make financial sense for us to move, although it is a longer term option.
Plus, its principle, we love our little home, it doesn’t seem right that we should move through the disrespect of others. We fully accept we are going to hear noise from above, but late at night, early in the morning and all day is simply crossing the line.
All i can suggest you do it sell up and move into a detached house.
Too expensive of an area? Then move somewhere cheaper, get new jobs the lot.
I will NEVER live in a house that's attached to other peoples homes.
I like to shout at random stuff, Play stupidly loud music and use horrible power tools.
My wife likes to shout random crap at anything (not me thankfully) and would get funny looks if people could hear....
SO yea. Detached house FTW
Too expensive of an area? Then move somewhere cheaper, get new jobs the lot.
I will NEVER live in a house that's attached to other peoples homes.
I like to shout at random stuff, Play stupidly loud music and use horrible power tools.
My wife likes to shout random crap at anything (not me thankfully) and would get funny looks if people could hear....
SO yea. Detached house FTW
Soldato
sell up, you cant stop a 2 year old from doing what you've said in your post. Its what happens in our house every day.
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Man of Honour
Whilst I agree with the sentiment (and also an owner of a detached house) it's not always possible, and you've just got to accept that living in flat is what people can afford and just deal with the pitfalls of it.
That's what children do, they play, they make noise. You will never fully respect that until you have your own.
Do you really think getting a family kicked out of a home because you can't stand the noise is fair?
Also - if you have a spare £550 a month to pay for an empty flat then why don't you get yourself a nice semi-detached house where noise won't be a problem?
Either shut up and put up, or move.
Again, letting the kid run around until 2 or 3 in the morning, is not usual or acceptable when living above someone. Just as we have to accept living below someone = some noise, people living upstairs should respect that fact also and not let a kid run around at 3 in the morning when they know it causes so much noise.
We have a fair amount of disposable income and could afford the monthly payments of moving somewhere else, but cannot borrow enough from the banks in the first place.
Soldato
I would put away the pitchforks and torches. There is not much you can do about it and its understandable that the council don't want to get involved. Modern buildings seem to let noise go right through the place and without suspending the child in a bungee 24/7, there is little you can do. This doesn't sound like a child rampaging and destroying stuff but rather just moving around excitedly with the grace of drunken dwarf.
What would be a reasonable solution?
IMO it would be for you to move out rather than them. I dont know what you expect them to do but at least if you move into a different house you can choose where you live, what you are currently doing is trying to choose where your neighbours live...
You would categorise these people as scum or chavs because their kid is noisy like every other kid?
What would be a reasonable solution?
IMO it would be for you to move out rather than them. I dont know what you expect them to do but at least if you move into a different house you can choose where you live, what you are currently doing is trying to choose where your neighbours live...
You would categorise these people as scum or chavs because their kid is noisy like every other kid?
This is quite an extreme option.
^^ this.
If you are considering paying £550 in someone else's rent not to do anything then why don't you consider moving out yourselves. There are two options here. You could move in to another rental property and rent out your place. That way you are still hopefully only paying out the same amount of money as if you stayed put and your mortgage is still being paid and the net cost to you is minimal.
Alternatively just deal with it for as long as possible and sell your place to move elsewhere.
While neither of these options is ideal, both are better then paying out £550 for nothing gained and the potential that the next tenants could be even worse!
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Frankly ridiculous, if you have kids and live in a flat, teach the kid to play quietly, it's that simple. The kid doesn't have to run circles in a flat to be entertained.
At my flat before moving into my bungalow end of last year, the upstairs kids were a nightmare. Thing is before those lot the old family had two kids around 4 and 7 or something and never heard a peep from them upstairs. Once of twice a day the kids went outside into the courtyard and ran around, sometimes screaming a bit though parents usually told them to keep it down. That is fine, having some noise some times is fine. Those parents were sensible, they gave them activities to do when inside and then took them out to burn off energy and get exercise a couple of times a day. That is called parenting.
Turning your tv up, ignoring your kids and letting them run around like idiots at any time of day or night is not parenting, it's being irresponsible and awful neighbours.
Somehow the kids upstairs from the second family were like 6 months and 2 years old, despite being a fraction of the weight they sound like NBA players thudding around, they bounce balls, kick the radiators which sends a vibrating/clanging noise throughout my entire ceiling, they were just awful.
They compounded letting their kids make noise all day with occasionally having all night parties, then the kids up again in the morning followed by giant fist fights that did a load of damage to the flats.
Bad neighbours can near ruin your life. Destroy your sleep, have you set on edge the entire time you're in your house. Rather than a place to relax and rest it becomes a constant source of stress which is nothing short of awful.
I'd say to the op, look around for somewhere else to live... took me ages to find a bungalow(my knees are shot so buying a house or more flats is a no go), but my god, even with a bunch of early moving in problems like damp and dodgy boiler to deal with I'm far more relaxed, far less depressed, sleep better and feel far healthier as a result.
Never again will I live somewhere with neighbours above me. Noise through the walls is one thing, it's the deep thudding noise from above you can't get away from. If a side on neighbour plays music you can put headphones on and not hear it, if someone is stamping around upstairs you can have your headphones on full blast, you still feel every thud, it's invasive and impossible to get away from.
Just worth adding, moving with a noisy neighbour can be incredibly difficult in and of itself Even ignoring the moral dilemma of telling prospective buyers about the horrible noise from upstairs and leaving them paying the same amount to live with such a noise, sensible buyers will view multiple times and chances are they'll hear the noise and be put off the property. So moving out isn't necessarily an option, that is an issue for a lot of people, they want to move but find it impossible to get a buyer.
Same as having a noisy chav family who have their kids in the front garden burning stuff, screaming their heads off or broken cars and smashed glass everywhere, 99% of buyers that come to view a house would see that kind of mess in the neighbours garden and instantly move on to the next property to be seen.
It is why, imo, noisy/bad neighbours should be the ones moving, not the one being subjected to the noise.
Why would it be a better option for us to move?
If the noise was happening throughout the evening then that is for us to put up with. I don’t think anyone could argue with us about the fact that letting a child run about every weekend night without until 2 or 3 in the morning is anything but discourteous.
We have made it clear to them, the property managers and the owner that is not our main goal to get them moved out, our main goal is to stop the noise at very unsociable hours.
Thank you! This is what im trying to explain. We fully expect and our happy that of course there will be noise, we live under a home, this is fully expected.
We just don’t expect it all day, and at 3AM in the morning!
Caporegime
The kid will grow out of it, hang in there.
Soldato
Because you have the spare income and cant guarantee who your next neighbour is without moving and also cant make them move.
I say the better option would be to move because it will settle the situation immediately. I would be surprise if your message to the owner or manager will convince them to take a strong enough stance to settle the matter one way or another.
This isn't a question of 'should you be allowed some peace at 3am?' but rather 'what can be done about the situation that is within your power?'
I say the better option would be to move because it will settle the situation immediately. I would be surprise if your message to the owner or manager will convince them to take a strong enough stance to settle the matter one way or another.
This isn't a question of 'should you be allowed some peace at 3am?' but rather 'what can be done about the situation that is within your power?'
Soldato
Film it and show them upstairs. Sometimes people just have no idea how much noise is really being made.
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It's really a case that some people just don't care at all. There has always been some people who will just do anything at any time with absolutely zero regard for what they are doing. I've always found that these are the same people that no matter how a complaint is worded towards them their response is the same, it's your problem what do I care.
You could maybe fight fire with fire, some people who don't care about others at all, do care about themselves and if in a situation where they become unhappy with noise might be more willing to strike a deal about when and when not to make noise.
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If I was the landlord I'd get you to put this into a legally binding contract. Then kick them out them up the rent to £750 a month in an advert (so it will be worthwhile me getting new tenants in) and then wait.
I would be getting £550 a month for nothing. My flat also wouldn't need repairs or refurbishment done and at least I know no damage will happen to it and my rent will keep coming in. I could turn everything off and have heating on a smart stat so it only kicks in when it's freezing.
Basically you would have to be mad to offer such an arrangement is the point I'm getting at. If you then refused to keep paying the rent then I would take you to court and take your flat off you. Capitalism is a wonderful thing isn't it?
If your willing to pay £550 for an empty flat. Why would the landlord bother getting tenants in?
So the point I'm trying to make is stop resulting to crazy offers. Take that £550 a month your willing to pay and stick it in a savings account. You even offered to buy the flat well that means you have plenty of cash or disposable income. So buy a flat in a better area or even a semi-detached or a detached home. Do not pay rent just for some peace and quiet. Landlord will be laughing all the way to the bank.
Soldato
Yep, honestly I lived in a flat for 5 years and understand. However I do honestly believe that moving is the best option.
I understand the not wanting to move, it is why I didn't for 5 years but bad neighbours will still be bad neighbours later on with something else. I would suggest that the cost you would be paying out in regards to the extra £550 makes the least sense out the options you have.
A polite letter written using google translate first off and seeing what happens and secondly which as I said to me is best option is sell and trying to find a property where this would not be an issue.
As much as noisy people should be handed notices and forced to move if needed it doesn't happen that way. The world just isn't fair like that unfortunately.
The problem with that is you are not any better than them. You are lowering yourself to the issue. Secondarily as the OP and partner are adults then they could have a noise disturbance notice handed too them if the neighbours complain. Ironic hey and in the end it will just cost the OP money and resentment that could lead to more issues than it resolves.
I understand the not wanting to move, it is why I didn't for 5 years but bad neighbours will still be bad neighbours later on with something else. I would suggest that the cost you would be paying out in regards to the extra £550 makes the least sense out the options you have.
A polite letter written using google translate first off and seeing what happens and secondly which as I said to me is best option is sell and trying to find a property where this would not be an issue.
As much as noisy people should be handed notices and forced to move if needed it doesn't happen that way. The world just isn't fair like that unfortunately.
The problem with that is you are not any better than them. You are lowering yourself to the issue. Secondarily as the OP and partner are adults then they could have a noise disturbance notice handed too them if the neighbours complain. Ironic hey and in the end it will just cost the OP money and resentment that could lead to more issues than it resolves.
Soldato
oh i've been on the other end of this. Complaints to the council, meetings with mediators involved. been there done it. Not that our past situation bears much resemblance to yours - our neighbour's complaints were all lies and one meeting with a mediator resulted in him walking away with his tail between his legs - but i remember it made us absolutely paranoid about the noise we were making; we were good neighbours at the end of the day, despite what that miserable pig thought.
Anyway i can understand both sides of it. But at the end of the day if they are making that much noise and being that unreasonable then keep at it. The council will do something eventually.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/noise-nuisances-how-councils-deal-with-complaints
They are lying. Councils dont like getting involved with noise disputes. They are lengthy and time consuming and presumable costly. So they will avoid it at all costs. At least that was our experience.
Anyway i can understand both sides of it. But at the end of the day if they are making that much noise and being that unreasonable then keep at it. The council will do something eventually.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/noise-nuisances-how-councils-deal-with-complaints
They are lying. Councils dont like getting involved with noise disputes. They are lengthy and time consuming and presumable costly. So they will avoid it at all costs. At least that was our experience.
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Caporegime
Yup, in reality you're either stuck with it or you need to move.