Proposed Duty on vaping products

[tonys]

Taxing disposable capes is fine by me as the waste harms the environment and that money could/should be used for cleaning up the mess.

But taxing raw vaping ingredients is a slippery slope into increasing control over the population. Taxing things just because people enjoy them feels dystopian to me.

Often it's in the name of protecting children, which amazes me that the solution is to treat adults like children too.

I think you'll find they tax almost everything that people will enjoy.

 

[tonys]

Sure I get that logic but define poor behaviours. Someone doing a sport and breaking bones is a strain on the NHS also for example.

You could go down the route of insurance if you engage in anything that would be deemed as above average risk to health

 

[tonys]

Well it's a loophole in the sense that people are getting their nicotine fix from vaping.

But it's just neurochemistry at the end of the day. Let's say there was a paragraph of text and if read it, you would get the same effect. Would the government tax that too?

They probably have already somewhere along the line upto that point

 

[One More Solo]

Vaping is just a means to keep making money from getting people addicted to drugs.

Yes they can get you off smoking, I used vapes to quit, but in order to do that, you need to taper down to 0mg nicotine, which most people don't do, they seem to just get even more hooked by constantly sucking down high nicotine liquids.

I agree. The industry saw the increasing move towards smoke free public spaces and vaping addressed that.

 

[throwaway4372]

There's a bunch of filthy stinking rich ppl in a room somewhere who's business depends on addiction, so they replaced cigs with vapes.

If we're gonna be creating a British ISA then those companies probably shouldn't qualify.

And those people should be sent to Rwanda.

 

[tonys]

There's a bunch of filthy stinking rich ppl in a room somewhere who's business depends on addiction, so they replaced cigs with vapes.

If we're gonna be creating a British ISA then those companies probably shouldn't qualify.

And those people should be sent to Rwanda.

Have you only just realised that's how the world works?

 

[mid_gen]

I used vaping to give up. Slowly worked my way down the nicotine strengths and then mixed 0% with the lowest until I was basically nicotine free, at that point I just stopped vaping and it was painless. I can't imagine vaping is harmless, you are taking chemicals deep into your lungs and holding it for a couple of seconds. As a way to give up smoking though its fantastic.

It's amazing the difference between 0% and even a tiny bit of nicotine. Soon as you stick to zero for a week or two the cravings dissappear and you realise you're just sucking on vape for no benefit at all, the only pleasure in it comes from feeding the addiction.

 

[Removed User 345456]

Sounds extreme levels, 10ml of e-liquid cots me only 50p to make, I guess for you it will be 10p if you buy nicotine in bulk and dont buy flavor.

I make mine in bulk twice a year.
It costs me £76 to make 2 litres of it, so that's what 38p per 10ml?
And I have stuff left over to go towards the next batch, 2 litres lasts me around 6 months, so call it £150 a year ala £12.50 a month, and I rinse it when driving or at home watching a film/tv, so 2 litres would last me way way longer if I wanted to.

I have stopped for a long time, many times over the years, but I always just miss it, I like that it doesn't make my hands/breath/clothes smell, and doesn't seem to do me any damage nor give me chest infections like smoking did, I don't feel it's bad having something to enjoy whilst driving/watching stuff at home.

I also think vaping and smoking are 2 different types of enjoyment, smoking can make you feel rough, I personally didn't tend to have more than 1 an hour on average, nor would I want to, you also don't get the same 'factor' out of having a vape, IDK it's different, it's hard to explain, but it doesn't 'replace' smoking to me, it's just an alternative that I enjoy actually more so. I do like the fact however I've never wanted to go back to smoking, nor do I miss it, I hate the smell of it and never did like that, especially cigs.

 

[Hagar]

When I thought that this topic had gone way over the edge was when I saw WH Smiths advertising disposable vapes on a board outside their shop.

Now I know that it is not the WH Smiths that we all knew as a stationer and bookseller but is now a friendly drug dealer to youth who walk past on the way to school, scoring a hit together with their new fineliner felt tips.

If it feels wrong it probably is, but it must have got by the WHS board as a proposal for increased revenue. Goodbye Mr Smith.

 

[Minusorange]

Taxing disposable capes is fine

But what about the superheroes ?

 

[Murphy]

I'm all for this as a father to a teenage girl who started vaping at 15 because lots of dodgy corner shops who will sell to underage kids, if the price is high it will definately stop a lot of yougsters from starting a habit they really shoud not at that age. She's now 18 and seems to have a permanent cough that I can only attribute to vaping.

So rather than enforcing the law and penalising those who break it, like the dodgy corner shops, just make it more expensive and hope there's no children with deep pockets?

Maybe we should try that with social media and games with 'gambling' mechanics in them due to their addictive nature, make them really expensive so only the well heeled can afford them.

 

[Removed User 345456]

Now I know that it is not the WH Smiths that we all knew as a stationer and bookseller but is now a friendly drug dealer to youth who walk past on the way to school, scoring a hit together with their new fineliner felt tips.

I don't understand your mentality, book and magazine shops have always sold cigs and often booze? Martins for example do, and they have WHS levels of magazines and isles of books? So what's the difference them selling vapes?
WHS has been happy to sell kids posion like energy drinks without restriction for many years too.

As for vapes, you have to be 18 to buy them? So who exactly is selling them to kids? Not a major league store franchise/company with CCTV everywhere, that's for sure!
Dodgy corner shops maybe, along with when a teenagers 'mate' is working a shift selling them too each other, but that's about it.

People seem to forget this is no different from cigs, of which kids smoked underage too, along with drinking booze, and it was routine for them to ask adults outside of the shop to buy them for them...
Neither are 'easy' for a kid to buy themselves without the help of an adult.

So I don't get what your issue is, you can buy poison like redbull from literally anywhere, along with booze and cigs being sold at petrol stations for Christ sakes, which are often open 24 hours and extremely local and easy to ride a push bike to, of which often hire teenagers to work in the day/weekends till late, so again can sell their mates stuff on the sly if they pop in at the right time - so I'd worry about that more as an easy source of pushing ecigs/booze/cigs on kids/teens...

TBH I'd much rather revoke 24/7 garages having the ability to sell booze 24/7 365 over worrying about WHS selling a vape!

It is ridiculous that you can pull into any petrol station and buy booze, and the 24 hour ones opposite motorways, are pretty much encouraging drink drivers with a long drive to get away with it at night...

 

[Removed User 345456]

But what about the superheroes ?

"Real heroes don't wear capes" remember.

 

[Hagar]

@keef247 I was using some exaggeration to make a point admittedly but I hope it does backfire on them. The one product almost certain to be banned is their choice for a pavement ad campaign featuring highly coloured fruit flavoured disposable vapes.
I know the corner shop types who specialise in selling these items with few questions asked and they are not leading high street companies or members of the local Rotary.

To all your points above I generally am in full agreement.

 

[Removed User 345456]

@keef247 I was using some exaggeration to make a point admittedly but I hope it does backfire on them. The one product almost certain to be banned is their choice for a pavement ad campaign featuring highly coloured fruit flavoured disposable vapes.
I know the corner shop types who specialise in selling these items with few questions asked and they are not leading high street companies or members of the local Rotary.

To all your points above I generally am in full agreement.

Yep, they do the same for energy drinks, of which WAY younger kids drink and demand, let alone that nonsense like PRIME at what was it £30 a can or something ridiculous? And anywhere will sell a kid that? Disgusting!

Yeah mate, the corner shops are the OG dodgy asf seller of anything, including often fake booze/cigs, then add exploding fake vapes/battery mods, lethal.

Thanks mate, I wasn't 'having a go' - I hope it didn't come across that way? As I'm not the best with wording stuff, hence editing it a couple of times trying to improve addressing my point/making it easier to understand.
I'm glad you agree, it really annoys me the whole 24/7 petrol station thing, of which are often run by people who don't give a **** due to **** hours/underpaid/underappreciated etc etc, along with happily employing teens until 10-11pm...
They're always on the doorstep of communities as well. Who 'needs' booze/cigs/vapes at 2-4am on a week night ffs. Mental. And kids/teens are riding in and out of these petrol stations frequently after 10-11pm...

Petrol stations also love to advertise booze, especially wine and beer with giant **** off size posters in the windows, and often on huge sign posts on the roadside. Absolutely encouraging drink drivers with a long drive, why would you 'need' booze from a motorway petrol station let alone 24 hours a day!

 

[200sols]

Yep, they do the same for energy drinks, of which WAY younger kids drink and demand, let alone that nonsense like PRIME at what was it £30 a can or something ridiculous? And anywhere will sell a kid that? Disgusting!

Yeah mate, the corner shops are the OG dodgy asf seller of anything, including often fake booze/cigs, then add exploding fake vapes/battery mods, lethal.

Thanks mate, I wasn't 'having a go' - I hope it didn't come across that way? As I'm not the best with wording stuff, hence editing it a couple of times trying to improve addressing my point/making it easier to understand.
I'm glad you agree, it really annoys me the whole 24/7 petrol station thing, of which are often run by people who don't give a **** due to **** hours/underpaid/underappreciated etc etc, along with happily employing teens until 10-11pm...
They're always on the doorstep of communities as well. Who 'needs' booze/cigs/vapes at 2-4am on a week night ffs. Mental. And kids/teens are riding in and out of these petrol stations frequently after 10-11pm...

Petrol stations also love to advertise booze, especially wine and beer with giant **** off size posters in the windows, and often on huge sign posts on the roadside. Absolutely encouraging drink drivers with a long drive, why would you 'need' booze from a motorway petrol station let alone 24 hours a day!

I highly doubt most drink drivers have been buying booze in the petrol station and then necking it before driving on. Most drink drivers will be drinking at home or friends or bars etc and then driving home.

 

[gingergundog]

I quit smoking about 10 years ago and vaping was the only thing that stopped me.

Tbh I hate everything about vaping, its not pleasurable really, its a pita changing coils and refilling etc. Some people are really into it which I don't get, the obsession with all the goings on in the vaping industry, getting the latest tech etc.

I've stopped before but this year I really want to make an effort to give it up for good.

I actually enjoyed smoking.

 

[Removed User 345456]

I highly doubt most drink drivers have been buying booze in the petrol station and then necking it before driving on. Most drink drivers will be drinking at home or friends or bars etc and then driving home.

Who said necking it before leaving, I certainly didn't.

I said drink driving on a long journey at night, which is often how they get caught, it's shown countless times on tv, be it in the day or at night, that when pulled they stink and have booze on the passenger seat/footwell/can in the cup holder, etc etc...

As for the latter, yes obviously, then they go out drunk knowing a 24/7 petrol station will supply them with more, thus encouraging it/increasing the risk of harm to themselves/everyone else.

 

[200sols]

Who said necking it before leaving, I certainly didn't.

I said drink driving on a long journey at night, which is often how they get caught, it's shown countless times on tv, be it in the day or at night, that when pulled they stink and have booze on the passenger seat/footwell/can in the cup holder, etc etc...

As for the latter, yes obviously, then they go out drunk knowing a 24/7 petrol station will supply them with more, thus encouraging it/increasing the risk of harm to themselves/everyone else.

I think you're wrong.

No difference driving to any shop that sells cheap booze either in your argument.

 

[Removed User 345456]

I quit smoking about 10 years ago and vaping was the only thing that stopped me.

Tbh I hate everything about vaping, its not pleasurable really, its a pita changing coils and refilling etc. Some people are really into it which I don't get, the obsession with all the goings on in the vaping industry, getting the latest tech etc.

I've stopped before but this year I really want to make an effort to give it up for good.

I actually enjoyed smoking.

Sorry what?

It's 'pita' having to constantly buy lighters/filters/cigs/papers/backy, I'll take changing a coil in a 3 seconds and filling my tank up every couple of hours if that over faffing about rolling or buying stuff or the cigs constantly multiple times a week...

Plus you can literally order juice/batteries/vapes/mods/coils/tanks/everything to make your own juice, to your own door/through your letterbox and just leave a spare coil/bottle of juice/battery in your pocket/car - all of which can be smaller than a box of cigs/pouch of backy etc...

Hardly effort is it.