PS3 Impressions and Opinions Thread **Now includes pricing information**

FrankJH said:
I agree with your principle but MS are marketing it as a multimedia console and not just for games , ie Hidef content of all types which in my opinion means even 20Gb is by no means enough ( I may have a large collection of CD's but I have ripped about 2/3 of my collection at 192kbps and it totals 20Gb - thats without any hidef tv or any of Ms's downloads, let alone future music or other types of future storage) . You have to admit 20Gb is very stingy
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Even 60GB isn't really large enough either then. The media centre hub idea (which is what it's being marketed as) is you store your mp3s / movies on your pc and stream them through your 360. I think MS were caught a bit off guard with how much people would want to download direct; but in fairness I don't know anyone who's actually filled their 12GB yet. And at least they're addressing it with the 100GB HD for those that want to store more.
 
FrankJH said:
No they havent, they are marketing it more as a media centre than just a games console - they are NOT just marketing it to the gamer fraternity
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Was the 360 designed as a games console first. Yes.
You cannot argue that it wasnt designed designed as a games console first, media hub afterwards, if you try, all you doing is showing ignorence.
It was designed as a games console. It plays games. As long as it does that, other functions come secondary. This isnt open for debate, those are the facts. It was designed as a games console, so stop claiming otherwise.

fdxd said:
its funny because even last time MS and Nintendo said they were better game consoles and still lost. :p
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Its funny because you have no understanding of the games market.
Xbox1 was a newcomer, and had a lot to prove. As such, it was never gonna 'win' considering PS2 was out for over a year longer.
And the GC was the only console out of the 3 that made its company any profit at all.
 
PS3 Pricing Could Spell Trouble for Publishers

David Cole from strategic market research firm DCF Intelligence comments that the $600 price tag slapped on the PS3 could be a tough one for publishers to take in.


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However, at $600 we are talking a whole new ball game. This is not only well above the current competition, it is twice the initial PS2 price. The video game business model has been to build an installed base of tens of millions of users in a very short-time frame. A key factor in this model is relatively low cost hardware. At a $600 price point the PlayStation 3 is targeted at the much smaller base of elite power users. Of course, hard-core video junkies may go for the PS3's Blu-ray capabilities, as $600 is cheap for a new high-end technology like Blu-ray. But if those guys are not buying game software that does not do game publishers any good.

The PlayStation 3 needs to justify its price difference as a game machine. In terms of game software it currently looks like the Xbox 360 will be able to match the PS3 punch-for-punch in the important genres like shooting, RPGs, racing, sports, Grand Theft Auto IV and others. Will Sony's brand name alone explain a $200 price difference to the gaming audience?

Next month DFC Intelligence will be releasing updated forecasts for the interactive entertainment industry based on new announcements from E3. Suffice to say the higher priced the hardware, the lower overall industry growth will be. Our big question going forward is how fast can Sony bring that price down. Sony could just be waiting to milk the early adaptors that will snap up any new units no matter what the price. Unfortunately, there is a sinking feeling that things may have spun out of control for Sony and thus price cuts will be slow in coming. While that may be good news for Microsoft and Nintendo it could spell rough times for publishers that have come to rely so much on Sony's ability to build a huge market of devoted video game consumers.
 
BoomAM said:
Was the 360 designed as a games console first. Yes.
You cannot argue that it wasnt designed designed as a games console first, media hub afterwards, if you try, all you doing is showing ignorence.
It was designed as a games console. It plays games. As long as it does that, other functions come secondary. This isnt open for debate, those are the facts. It was designed as a games console, so stop claiming otherwise.


Its funny because you have no understanding of the games market.
Xbox1 was a newcomer, and had a lot to prove. As such, it was never gonna 'win' considering PS2 was out for over a year longer.
And the GC was the only console out of the 3 that made its company any profit at all.
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YOU are either just provoking an arguement or being stupid - where did I say it wasnt designed as one thing or another???

I didnt

I stated clearly its being MARKETED as a media centre "an all round entertainment centre", in which case 20GB (my typos appologise to dirtydog lol) is very mean - especially for £60 or so - but I guess the price comes straight from $60 over the ocean, which is standard practice now it seems
 
FrankJH said:
YOU are either just provoking an arguement or being stupid - where did I say it wasnt designed as one thing or another???
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Why is it trying to provoke an argument?
The thing was designed as a games console. That cannot be disputed.
Yet you are disputing it, by saying its marketed as something else. Which doesnt really mean a lot, considering marketing can say anything, but it doesnt make it true.
 
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FrankJH said:
YOU are either just provoking an arguement or being stupid - where did I say it wasnt designed as one thing or another???

I didnt

I stated clearly its being MARKETED as a media centre "an all round entertainment centre", in which case 20GB (my typos appologise to dirtydog lol) is very mean - especially for £60 or so - but I guess the price comes straight from $60 over the ocean, which is standard practice now it seems
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Its ok he has done that a lot in this thread :p

What you say is true to an extent. It is marketed as 'The next generation of gaming and entertainment'

Source - http://www.xbox.com/en-GB/hardware/explorexbox360.htm

And please it may be a 20Gb HDD on paper it is 12GB Useable. which is a whopping 40% loss of capacity. I just wanna know why they feel the need to reserve 8Gb i can run games on windows with less than that.
 
JUMPURS said:
What you say is true to an extent. It is marketed as 'The next generation of gaming and entertainment'

Source - http://www.xbox.com/en-GB/hardware/explorexbox360.htm
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Again, marketing and what it is are entirely seperate.
Are you both trying to claim that it wasnt designed as a games console first? Yes/No answers only please.
I havnt said that it hasnt been marketed as, ive said that it physically is, and was designed as a games console. Theres a difference. Differentiate.
 
BoomAM said:
Again, marketing and what it is are entirely seperate.
Are you both trying to claim that it wasnt designed as a games console first? Yes/No answers only please.
I havnt said that it hasnt been marketed as, ive said that it physically is, and was designed as a games console. Theres a difference. Differentiate.
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Is this a black and white world - No :D

I am guessing MS would have designed it as a bit of both otherwise the more technically savvy wouldnt buy the theory of a entertainment hub if bits where only "tagged on" after initial developement.

MS and Sony have been competing in the same "space" for years and its not really arguable that Sony has marketed the PS3 as a family unit rather than a gamers one. MS also want to compete for living room space ( instead of in a bedroom) and want - and with an eye on previous sales figures for last round NEED to compete for the whole family not just gamers.

In one sense it was always MS's first generation of media server that they have been talking about for years.

My opinion but there is a lot to back it up - if you want to open-minded of course
 
BoomAM said:
Im asuming that the 8Gb is reserved for caching.
The original xbox reserved part of its drive for caching, so its logical to asume the same for the 360.
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Yeah i do assume the same, but i feel its taking the mick!
They dont even, and i dont think can ever have any games that will even take up 8GB in total! yet they want it for a cash, sorry i mean cache!
What a joke! and its not for backwards compaitble games as none of them are over 4gb and none are bloody compatible.
I wanna know if anyone has ripped out an HD from it, formatted it and seen the size they get out of it
 
FrankJH said:
My opinion but there is a lot to back it up - if you want to open-minded of course
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a lot to back it up? Hardly.
When you still deny that it was designed as a games console.
It can hardly be called a media hub when, as has been said, it lacks HDD capacity, support for anything but windows formats, lacks good DVD output, and HDCP compatibility. If it was designed as 'both' as you so galliently claim, the it would have HDCP at the minimum.

You can keep harping on about how they've marketed this that and the other.
You can even start claiming things like they designed it for both.
But the fact of the matter is, and you know this wether you want to admit it or not, that the 360 was designed to be a games console first. With media abilites tacked on.
Back to my original point, as a games console, the 360 is just as good as a PS3. Media abilities are not at the forefront of average joes minds when buying a console.
 
JUMPURS said:
Yeah i do assume the same, but i feel its taking the mick!
They dont even, and i dont think can ever have any games that will even take up 8GB in total! yet they want it for a cash, sorry i mean cache!
What a joke! and its not for backwards compaitble games as none of them are over 4gb and none are bloody compatible.
I wanna know if anyone has ripped out an HD from it, formatted it and seen the size they get out of it
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Looking at how the Xbox1 was laid out, the cache space holds save games, common files (like updates) and space for caching.
And i wouldnt be suprised to see game assets transfered to the HDD and stored there for better performance.
 
BoomAM said:
Yes. They were both done by the same development team. And Res4 for PS2 was hardly rushed out considering how late it came out.
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Whats they? im not referring to just one game, cmon mr deep thinker you dont really think i was arguing over one game? ;)
 
JBeck said:
Whats they? im not referring to just one game, cmon mr deep thinker you dont really think i was arguing over one game? ;)
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They is res4. Refered as 'just one game' because thats what i was originally on about for differences, and then someone said that they probably wernt ported correctly, when they were.
Dont start digging up an old debate please.
 
BoomAM said:
a lot to back it up? Hardly.
When you still deny that it was designed as a games console.
It can hardly be called a media hub when, as has been said, it lacks HDD capacity, support for anything but windows formats, lacks good DVD output, and HDCP compatibility. If it was designed as 'both' as you so galliently claim, the it would have HDCP at the minimum.

You can keep harping on about how they've marketed this that and the other.
You can even start claiming things like they designed it for both.
But the fact of the matter is, and you know this wether you want to admit it or not, that the 360 was designed to be a games console first. With media abilites tacked on.
Back to my original point, as a games console, the 360 is just as good as a PS3. Media abilities are not at the forefront of average joes minds when buying a console.
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We are not talking about present usability here we are talking about future possibilities from MS's point of view

HDCP hadnt been invented when the 360 was designed (and more importantly costings approved) - so thats a non starter. and even so I bet there is a way that hdcp can somehow be implemented in the hd-dvd drive if / when necessary

This console ( from MS's point of view) has a hopeful life expectancy of 4 years minimum and possibly more. MS are not that close minded - even though you seem to be - to aim it at one relatively small community when media servers and the like are going to be huge in the coming years ( and if anyone, MS has the financial power to make this certain) with the X360 being the front end.

The whole point is most people in the future wont be buying either the PS3 or the X360 as a console , just as MS / SONY originally intended
 
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