QLED vs OLED

crinkleshoes said:
if you have DV support, you can watch DV content... if you don't, you're watching it in SDR.
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netflix has dv and hdr, so if you do not have a dv tv will still get hdr, where, as opposed to the dynamic-meta data (min/max brightness per frame) you just have the min/max for whole movie.
see here too,
on an oled with no backlight, as I say, not clear to me whether benefit of hdrdv is significant.
Also dv is giving min/max brightness per frame, if you have sufficient processing power (maybe the Pan does) you could optimize sceen by scene anyway.
 
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Netflix is streaming low res compressed to hell crap.

Does anyone here actually have a clue about anything?

Dolby Innovative Vision would have been more appropriate maybe

(DIV)
 
Boge said:
DV content? I'd be interested to see a list of all the current discs /physical media that I could buy tomorrow that had Doleby Vision onboard.
Not interested in compressed streaming.
Serious question.
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re: Video. It's all compressed, the main question is can you tell the difference? The answer for me, between an apple 4k DV stream and the equivalent Bluray 4k HDR was 'no', I could not say there was a negative difference once the picture was in motion. The only way I could tell was to pause the picture, take a photo and look at it, even then it was at the margins.

the bitrate is clearly higher on the Bluray 4k no doubt about that but the apple 4k DV codec is pulling off magic that is for sure.

the number of dolby vision bluray 4k discs I could count on one hand so I did not consider it as an option.
 
Jase said:
Interesting, I'm going to take a drive to a larger store about 60 miles from me so i can see a wider range I think.

Out of interest why would your get the B7 if the Panasonic is the best you've seen?
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For the reasons quoted below.

crinkleshoes said:
The menu system on the Panasonic is poor.
The Panasonic does not support Dolby vision.
The LG is cheaper and is the same panel.

Dolby Vision was more important to me than I realised it would be - most of the Netflix content I've watched is Dolby Vision.
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re: dolby vision benefits - did subsequently see Vincents' comments

While it’s tempting to jump to the conclusion that Dolby Vision was superior to HDR10 in terms of end-user HDR experience, we needed to point out that the LG 55E6 OLED’s HDR10 rendition was hampered by relatively low peak brightness and substandard tone-mapping. All we could surmise from our comparison were as follows:

  • Dolby Vision delivered a superior HDR image compared with HDR10 4K Blu-ray on the LG OLED55E6, displaying less highlight clipping and more accurate colours;
  • The most effective method to recover the blown-out highlights in Ultra HD Blu-ray movies on the LG E6 was by lowering the [Contrast] on the source player; and
  • A top-end 4K HDR LED LCD TV with high peak brightness and correct tone-mapping (for example the Samsung UE65KS9500) could present HDR10 UHD Blu-ray films in a manner that’s not inferior to Dolby Vision.
In other words, Dolby Vision pulled ahead of HDR10 4K Blu-ray when the display featured suboptimal peak brightness/ colour volume/ tone-mapping, but the gap was closed to negligible levels by a high-end HDR TV with 1000+ nit peak luminance and accurate tone-mapping. Future developments like dynamic metadata for HDR10
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maybe that conclusion changes following firmware updates on the e6,
so I was wrong - it is beneficial on 2016oleds.


also had not appreciated DV is not on new amazon stick or roku
Just like Roku, it lacks Dolby Vision HDR, so all HDR is delivered as HDR10. This isn't a big deal unless 1) you have a Dolby Vision-capable TV, and 2) it performs significantly better with Dolby Vision compared to HDR10. If you want Dolby Vision your only current streaming options are the much more expensive Apple TV 4K or the apps built into your TV.
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I just want to know when OLED is going to come down to a reasonable price.
Currently rocking a 2009 46" Panny Plasma and cannot justify upgrading to anything at present.

I'm wanting a step up in size when I upgrade so looking at 55 - 65", just had a quick scout round and 65" OLED are £4k+ :eek:
 
Dunno where you're looking, unless it's one of the models up like the G7... the B7 and C7 65" are £2599 and the 55" is £1599... barely any more than QLED.

There's no IQ benefit from the G7 or W7... only other things.
 
crinkleshoes said:
Dunno where you're looking, unless it's one of the models up like the G7... the B7 and C7 65" are £2599 and the 55" is £1599... barely any more than QLED.

There's no IQ benefit from the G7 or W7... only other things.
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I just looked on richer sounds, I don't keep current with home cinema tech to be fair, I assumed richersounds would have the best price.
£2700 is still a lot of money, I think I paid £590 for my current TV as it was end of life previous years model and it has been absolutely faultless.
 
The 60" Kuro was just over £4k when it was released... so it's already much cheaper than previous high-end TVs.

I expect it'll be 4-5 years before you see the current model under a grand.

Soon after the new year model is released... you can usually get the previous years model for £1200-1300. I have seen 2 year new-old stock going for closer to the £1k mark.
 
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