QLED vs OLED

Amp34 · 18 Nov 2017 at 17:05

If you have or are planning on getting a surround sound system/seperate sound bar then you may as well just get the B/C7 so you have a more minimalist TV set as the speakers can’t be removed on the E7.

It’s a shame actually that none of the picture on glass sets (E/G/W) can be bought without an integrated set of speakers.

jpaul · 31 Oct 2018 at 08:14

*slight reboot* #metoo

laughed when I saw new LG oled tv adds

LG OLED TV with AI (Artificial Intelligence) ThinQ® has the Google Assistant built in, so you can control compatible smart home devices using just your voice. Create a center for your smart home and beyond. Plus it works with Amazon Alexa devices.1

what the hell is AI about this ? it will decide if a TV programme is rubbish ?

compared to the new 8K qled where terminology has some legitimacy

Samsung’s proprietary 8K AI Upscaling technology based on artificial intelligence also comes equipped with picture and sound quality to a level compatible with 8K regardless of the original source quality or format

edit: qled has caught up ?

jpaul said:
interestring/complimentary review on samsung qf9
series https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarcher/2018/05/09/lg-oled-e8-vs-samsung-q9fn-clash-of-the-tv-titans
[the e8 review it links to too
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnar...led-tv-review-what-a-difference-a-brain-makes ]

tyler_jrb · 31 Oct 2018 at 15:49

jpaul said:
*slight reboot* #metoo

laughed when I saw new LG oled tv adds

what the hell is AI about this ? it will decide if a TV programme is rubbish ?

compared to the new 8K qled where terminology has some legitimacy

edit: qled has caught up ?

Yeah i too found the advert a bit confusing.

Both have pro's and con's as always.

Have tried both QLED and OLED and have always gone back to OLED due to my viewing habits. Have an E8 currently and is an amazing display.

Wouldn't mind trying the Q9FN however, just on a gaming perspective as i tend to play more games on my tv now than on my monitor which really is for FPS games now. The burn risk on OLED does worry me sometimes.

Nexus18 · 1 Nov 2018 at 08:26

Still can't believe I got my E7 for £1099 this time last year

Still my best "tech" purchase ever.

crinkleshoes · 1 Nov 2018 at 12:59

Google Assistant is considered AI.

Not that it really is, the term is used far too loosely.

MrRockliffe · 1 Nov 2018 at 13:02

Nexus18 said:
Still can't believe I got my E7 for £1099 this time last year

Still my best "tech" purchase ever.

Blimey, that is a good deal!

mmj_uk · 1 Nov 2018 at 13:11

Will OLED be able to scale to 8K? iirc one of the reasons plasma was abandoned was because of the power consumption already being high at 1080P and a 4K panel with 4 times as many pixels to light up would have failed to pass EU regulations. It's also why plasma screens dimmed when showing mostly white backgrounds.

MrRockliffe · 1 Nov 2018 at 13:15

mmj_uk said:
Will OLED be able to scale to 8K? iirc one of the reasons plasma was abandoned was because of the power consumption already being high at 1080P and a 4K panel with 4 times as many pixels to light up would have failed to pass EU regulations. It's also why plasma screens dimmed when showing mostly white backgrounds.

I would imagine so - don't they consumer similar/less power for most content?

jpaul · 1 Nov 2018 at 23:01

It does seem curious that apart from 88" 8K exhibition oled , lg are not releasing something , and smaller too/65"
maybe it says something about reliability/manufacturing issues, scaling to 8k.

I thought plasma death-null was inability to scale the vacuum 'bulbs' down to 4k size, which is where they have high hopes for micro-led displays
(pick and place for millions of leds - will be a sight to see) , as opposed to power ... has the EU ever imposed a limit ?
and that all this ABL stuff for oled, was as much the manufacturer trying to cover their reliability backsides.

chaparral · 2 Nov 2018 at 05:37

mmj_uk said:
Will OLED be able to scale to 8K? iirc one of the reasons plasma was abandoned was because of the power consumption already being high at 1080P and a 4K panel with 4 times as many pixels to light up would have failed to pass EU regulations. It's also why plasma screens dimmed when showing mostly white backgrounds.

I think this below is only going be for there 88"

LG's 8K OLED TV expected to launch in June 2019

LG Display, the display panel manufacturer, will start mass production of 8K OLED panels in May 2019. The plan was confirmed at an industry conference held at COEX in Seoul, Korea.

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1540812459

bakes0310 · 9 Nov 2018 at 05:55

I'm going qled early next year I think as I don't have a big budget and want it to be 49". Will be very happy with it as I'll be upgrading from a 40" hd TV.

FrankJH · 11 Nov 2018 at 04:53

I just bought a 65" LG B8 , will be delivered on Wednesday along with a sony 4k player (went for the cheapest dual hdmi player the shop had - Lg player was about £60 more).

Going to be upgrading my amp next year but in the mean time have to go this route. Crossing everything I get a good panel

even now imo QLED is still a marketing gimmick - don't get me wrong the top of the range have very very good pq (as they should do for the price) - but why they chose to call it qled in the first place still annoys me as the only reason they did that is to confuse the public with a similar name to OLED.

jpaul · 11 Nov 2018 at 11:37

history lesson - QLED's an imposter, the real one could return

jpaul said:
Rather than an oled I would have quite liked a genuine QLED emissive tv (better HDR/brightness, no burn), but from the CES announcements Samsung who bought the tech are not yet announcing anything, and now, abusing the terminology a bit, to try and regain ground versus LG oleds.

chaparral · 11 Nov 2018 at 12:38

FrankJH said:
but why they chose to call it qled in the first place still annoys me as the only reason they did that is to confuse the public with a similar name to OLED.

I look at it as it just really shows that Samsung know that OLED are so much better then there LCD's to of done this...

Like there no way they would have called there TV's Qled if OLED were worst then LCD as they wouldn't want there TV's confused to a TV that bad..

Crafty · 11 Nov 2018 at 13:39

mmj_uk said:
Will OLED be able to scale to 8K? iirc one of the reasons plasma was abandoned was because of the power consumption already being high at 1080P and a 4K panel with 4 times as many pixels to light up would have failed to pass EU regulations. It's also why plasma screens dimmed when showing mostly white backgrounds.

I don't think that will be an issue, the limiting factor at the moment is 8k sources. There is a new spec of HDMI (2.1) which is required for 8k via HDMI. We may see 2.1 on TVs next year, but at the moment there is no certification test spec, so no-one can actually certify. There are some who believe it won't arrive next year either : https://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/hdmi-tv-201712194520.htm

My guess is next years hardware will be capable but not certified and there will be firmware updates that allow the devices to become certified once the manufacturers can prove compliance with the spec.

I think its daft that a manufacturer will be able to claim "HDMI 2.1 certified" by only supporting a single feature, but thats what the hdmi association have decided.

Of course, there are other sources - apps and the like, but to my knowledge none of those have even announced intent to support 8k. I red somewhere Japan has some 8k broadcast in some form or other.

Some believe 8k to be a waste of time, even with a large screen the average human will have to sit very close indeed to actually be able to notice the difference to 4k. That and the fact that 8k sources are probably years away (we don't even have widespread 4k yet).

In other news, Samsung are apparently starting work on QD-OLED panels: https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1540893960
From what I read the idea is to have a blue OLED light as the backlight and then have a quantum dot layer that controls colour.

Other than that, the other things being talked about is Micro LED, again my interpretation of this is that each pixel has a red, green and blue LED that light up as required for the picture. Many think this will be the successor to OLED, there have been some prototypes built, but they are all huge (100" or so). The question seems to be how do you make an LED small enough to do a (say) 65" TV at 4k (or indeed 8k). It would seem that retail sets at a sensible price are some years off yet.

FrankJH · 12 Nov 2018 at 10:49

Crafty said:
Of course, there are other sources - apps and the like, but to my knowledge none of those have even announced intent to support 8k. I red somewhere Japan has some 8k broadcast in some form or other.

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I think Japan is still in the early stages of testing 8k broadcasting, but they are all go for the Japanese Olympics in 2020 to broadcast that (although I doubt many external countries will be broadcasting it)
Will be very interesting to see how this goes because if anyone can do it it will be the Japanese.

Mal X · 12 Nov 2018 at 12:12

bakes0310 said:
I'm going qled early next year I think as I don't have a big budget and want it to be 49". Will be very happy with it as I'll be upgrading from a 40" hd TV.

same here, i'm waiting till next years QLED 65''........done loads of research and i dont mind having lesser blacks, i want to get rid of screen burn and retention because i spend hours online. QLED has caught up enough to make it worth while now.............but if i do buy an OLED it deffo wont be an LG.............Panasonic only

wellibob · 12 Nov 2018 at 12:17

Having owned a Qled and now an oled. There really is only one winner when watching movies or TV content and that's oled. Gaming best done on a pc on a pc monitor. Xbox and the likes that's where I think Qled is better. It's, in the eye of the beholder.

jpaul · 12 Nov 2018 at 13:51

TV adverts continue - battleground has resolutely moved onto the magic word AI

It's the variation of led versus oled tv's that seems tricky, maybe it will not repeat again this year, but the 55/65b7 prices down 25% to 1200/1600 at the end of last year,
without a similar drop in newer qled prices, is that down to oled increased-yield/oversupply, or an aggressive/failed attempt to take market share ?

Qled remains and they have probably improved its manufacturing process and, realised how the market values it (and philips/sony/pan have oleds and leds), so will we get/2018 both oleds & qleds dropping 25% ?

No utube video on the crompton tv shoot out this year, but there was an article ... yes ok, maybe they create categories so everyone wins

HDTVTest 2018 TV Shootout Award winners

Winner Runner-up
Best Home Theatre TV: Panasonic FZ802 (14.93 points) Sony AF8 (13.27 points)
Best Living Room TV: Sony AF8 (15.82 points) Panasonic FZ802 (15.69 points)
Best Gaming TV: Samsung Q9FN (4.23 points) LG C8 (4.10 points)
Best HDR TV: LG C8 (4.15 points) Panasonic FZ802 (4.13 points)
Best TV of 2018: Panasonic FZ802 (32.59 points) LG C8 (31.49 points)
Category parameter scores

Winner Runner-up
Contrast performance: Panasonic FZ802 (4.58 points) Sony AF8 (4.45 points)
Colour accuracy: Panasonic FZ802 (4.36 points) Sony AF8 (4.31 points)
Motion: Sony AF8 (4.27 points) Panasonic FZ802 (4.18 points)
Video processing: Sony AF8 (4.27 points) Panasonic FZ802 (3.87 points)
Uniformity: LG C8 (4.19 points) Panasonic FZ802 (4.05 points)
Bright room performance: Samsung Q9FN (4.52 points) LG C8 / Panasonic FZ802 (3.43 points)
Gaming: Samsung Q9FN (4.23 points) LG C8 (4.10 points)
HDR: LG C8 (4.15 points) Panasonic FZ802 (4.13 points)

Mal X · 12 Nov 2018 at 16:42

so it's the Panny or Sony OLED and i dont game much anymore........ i've got the Panny OLED bookmarked anyway and it's deffo my choice for an OLED anyway