simple solution really, dont use the OLED as a PC monitor/gaming.........
QLED vs OLED
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simple solution really, dont use the OLED as a PC monitor/gaming.........
Well you'd be nuts to use it as a monitor but gaming is fine, for me and a lot of others.
My 2 plasma's are 11 & 12 years old (the 12 year old one had over 30,000 hours on the hour meter and is still working fine)As long as I get 5 years out of my OLED I will be happy, my plasma only lasted 6 years. Hopefully by then 8k sets will have dropped more
Wonder if my 65AF9 will last this long
This was taken a long time ago
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I have 3 tv's
1 - Living room - top of the range LG 4K HDR LCD, will stay until it dies and be replaced with an LCD unless they make 43" OLED's in future as that is the space available.
2. Bedroom - 50" plasma was top of the range when launched, will stay until either it dies or 4K content becomes mainstream. as in more 4K content than there is HD content. Then I will get an OLED to replace it.
3. Games Room - 55" LCD top of the range sony. this has to be LCD because it's gaming only with no tv use due to the above 2 TV's being used for tv use.
plasmas were rated to last 100,000 hours before brightness halved. so 30K is nothing really.
which is what i have been saying.
if i'm buying a TV purely for gaming use and nothing else. only a moron would suggest that i should buy an OLED.
the fact that it happened to my plasma (retention) and happened to my dad's plasma (burn in). i think i would rather enjoy a QLED than have to worry about varying my content on my solely gaming tv.
1 - Living room - top of the range LG 4K HDR LCD, will stay until it dies and be replaced with an LCD unless they make 43" OLED's in future as that is the space available.
2. Bedroom - 50" plasma was top of the range when launched, will stay until either it dies or 4K content becomes mainstream. as in more 4K content than there is HD content. Then I will get an OLED to replace it.
3. Games Room - 55" LCD top of the range sony. this has to be LCD because it's gaming only with no tv use due to the above 2 TV's being used for tv use.
My 2 plasma's are 11 & 12 years old (the 12 year old one had over 30,000 hours on the hour meter and is still working fine)
Wonder if my 65AF9 will last this long
This was taken a long time ago
plasmas were rated to last 100,000 hours before brightness halved. so 30K is nothing really.
which is what i have been saying.
if i'm buying a TV purely for gaming use and nothing else. only a moron would suggest that i should buy an OLED.
the fact that it happened to my plasma (retention) and happened to my dad's plasma (burn in). i think i would rather enjoy a QLED than have to worry about varying my content on my solely gaming tv.
Depends, if your likely to play the same game for 2-6 hours at a time and clock in over 100 hours or more then no, you should definitely stay away from OLED.
For casual gaming it's fine, which is exactly what console gaming is all about.
People need to be educated on the technology, but sure it's probably not something most retailers will tell customers.
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but if you are buying for a games room where it's casual gaming and nothing else. then OLED is still a no IMO.
OLED's need varied content. otherwise burn in will happen. it's not a case of might happen. it will happen without varied content
The positive rtings CNN banner burnin tests are, at what they consider, normal 200nits and also a max 380nits .. so not corona levels.
.. indeed oleds/b8 are 'only' putting out a sustained 155nits.
agree, if you are not using the tv (stupidly) with a banner, I just want it to last 7-8 years w/o colour shift.
They did not re-design the lg oled panel, without explanation, for nothing, with the 2018 models, that's the biggest testament to their concerns.
equally they must know how much an oled monitor market would be worth, and releasing models there, would be a big sign of confidence.
(they must have concerns that, like the VW emissions issue, or apple throttling, there is a potential liability)
my ST 55 Panny is perfect for gaming, i mean sniper ghost warrior 3 looks awesome on it ! no need to replace this tv at all and it is brilliant on 1080p tv too ........it's only worth buying another tv if you keep both...............OLED burn in will deffo happen but also screen retention, my guess is OLED is the same as my Panny, whatever the case the worry is still there.
QLED wont have any of this, but to get the very best QLED it's maybe wiser to wait till next spring.
QLED wont have any of this, but to get the very best QLED it's maybe wiser to wait till next spring.
Well all I can say is red dead 2 has been on my TV for at least 4 hours ever since release day (first 2 weeks was with HDR mode enabled too [only disabled it as it wasn't true HDR]) and there is no sign of burn in at all.
Thankfully a lot of games go for minimal huds now or give you control over what is shown (more useful just for providing a more immersive game world than preventing burn in)
Still a decent bit higher than the recommended luminance of 120 though, in fact, rtings desired luminance for when they carry out calibration is 100 nits for SDR so that is about 15-25% for OLED light setting depending on which years model you have..... Going from 40% to 15/25 is a huge drop in the brightness.
All in all, if you are someone who is going to worry then don't bother, at first I was but after 1+ year now and not seeing a single sign of burn in/retention despite having hundreds of hours on it now, I'm no longer worrying about it and just enjoying the IQ. The strengths of OLED FAR outweigh the "potential" disadvantages for me, if I had gone for a LCD, I would have to put up with its low contrast ratio, grey blacks, poor viewing angles (which annoys me far more).....
All in all, OLED has impressed me so much that I am looking to pick up either the sony or panny for downstairs this black friday.
OLED is nowhere near as bad as plasma either (I had a panny plasma before the LG OLED), plasma is ******* awful for image retention/burn in and whilst the IQ is great and still far better than LCD, it is not a patch on OLED.
Thankfully a lot of games go for minimal huds now or give you control over what is shown (more useful just for providing a more immersive game world than preventing burn in)
Still a decent bit higher than the recommended luminance of 120 though, in fact, rtings desired luminance for when they carry out calibration is 100 nits for SDR so that is about 15-25% for OLED light setting depending on which years model you have..... Going from 40% to 15/25 is a huge drop in the brightness.
All in all, if you are someone who is going to worry then don't bother, at first I was but after 1+ year now and not seeing a single sign of burn in/retention despite having hundreds of hours on it now, I'm no longer worrying about it and just enjoying the IQ. The strengths of OLED FAR outweigh the "potential" disadvantages for me, if I had gone for a LCD, I would have to put up with its low contrast ratio, grey blacks, poor viewing angles (which annoys me far more).....
All in all, OLED has impressed me so much that I am looking to pick up either the sony or panny for downstairs this black friday.
OLED is nowhere near as bad as plasma either (I had a panny plasma before the LG OLED), plasma is ******* awful for image retention/burn in and whilst the IQ is great and still far better than LCD, it is not a patch on OLED.
My 2 plasma's are 11 & 12 years old (the 12 year old one had over 30,000 hours on the hour meter and is still working fine)
Wonder if my 65AF9 will last this long
This was taken a long time ago
It was a samsung about the £700 mark, can't remember the model, anyway had burn issues with sky news banner(i blame the Mrs), why oh why do tv channels have to have banners it's just stupid, pure idiots who run the stations, take everything off i know what i am watching though the tv listings guide.
Because its possible to abuse it. Try buying a new car, not servicing it, running it out of oil and then claiming on warranty when the engine seizes.
Same thing applies. Run an OLED with the settings cranked up for long periods every day on a news channel you'll cause burn in.
Just to be clear in case anyone wasn't aware LG make *all* OLED panels, so their own, Phillips, Panasonic and Sony OLED TVs all carry the same panels.
From what I see the biggest downside of the Panasonics is no dolby vision, they have backed HDR10+ instead, which is ok, except there is no media that supports it...
They did have an issue with motion stutter last year which put a lot of people off - they eventually fixed it with a firmware update.
Interesting the poster discounted the LGs, they have the best DV (Sony's are a bit dull apparently) and they are the best "all rounder". The C8 got reference status from AVforums, which the other OLEDs haven't managed for one reason or another.
I forget when it is, but if you look over on avforums Phillips have set up a blind test and invited people along - will be interesting to see how that goes.
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23k hours on my pz80b. It's barely broken in!My 2 plasma's are 11 & 12 years old (the 12 year old one had over 30,000 hours on the hour meter and is still working fine)
Wonder if my 65AF9 will last this long
This was taken a long time ago
good also the plasma makes a buzzing noise in the whites............ even after you fix it (twice in 6 years) and the ZT 60 has fan noise too, so it looks like either a Panny OLED or next years QLED
with the onset of dynamic hdr options for both Pan(&LG) I don't see that as a big penalty ... if you have the processing power to do frame by frame analysis it's the same.
you are typically watching in the dark too, then ?
The links dont really backup what you say tho, there is nothing there to state that OLED in phone displays is not the same as OLED used in large displays. I doubt they completely different technologies, but accept there may be different variances of OLED e.g. like comparing s-ips to h-ips. Also the longevity is when it completely dies, I never said the screen completely died on my phone
, it just degraded in visual quality. Also one of the links says samsung abandoned OLED with longevity concerns.Only at night time, other than that, always got a light on or some day light coming in. Key is to make sure the light isn't hitting the TV and that you don't have a window behind your TV (and if you do, get a good blackout blind or good thick curtains)
The links dont really backup what you say tho, there is nothing there to state that OLED in phone displays is not the same as OLED used in large displays. I doubt they completely different technologies, but accept there may be different variances of OLED e.g. like comparing s-ips to h-ips. Also the longevity is when it completely dies, I never said the screen completely died on my phone
Phone and TVs have very different usages.
TVs are designed purely for the "display" with things like built in sound being low on the list where as phones are built/designed around not just the screen but the design/build, camera, processor/gpu/ram, camera, speakers, battery and so on. These OLED TVs have added things like pixel refresh, pixel shift, voltage resetting etc. etc. which mobile phones using oled screens don't have.
Also, from my understanding, LG's comment about 100,000 hours was also taking degradation into consideration too.
100,000 hours is a huge amount of time, as one of those sites said for LCD:
LCD Backlighting can become less effective over time too which in return will affect the IQ.
Only thing which would be nice is if LG stated what OLED light/luminance setting they used to find that figure out as if it was using something 300+ nits then that would be very good, if at <100 luminance then less so...... My TV has probably been on for at least 5 hours every day since last year and can't say the IQ looks any worse.
Either way unless you are intending on a TV for 24/7 use or intending on keeping it for a good 8+ years with extreme usage, I wouldn't worry about it
Didn't mean to say it is. Just that if he's holding off getting an OLED for a couple years for fear of burn in then I presume he's not getting a qled either.
You can sit there waiting for the perfect tv for years or get on and enjoy what's already available and all the content coming out that by then may be superseded by whatever is next around the corner.
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But he may just have bought a new tv 2 years ago so waiting another 2-3 years would make more sense than upgrading every 2 years.
I personally think QLED albeit very good is overpriced. The best TV's IMO are
Samsung NU8000 - just because of how good it is for only £749 (55 inch)
LG B8 - really good price for a 55" OLED
Sony XF90 - FALD, really good at everything and priced very well when you compare samsung equivalent models are 33% more expensive.
IMO everyone should be looking at 1 of the above if they are after quality and value for money.
The QLED is better than the XF90 however it's only marginally better yet commands 33% more premium which IMO isn't worth it.
Personally I will be buying the NU8000 if the XF90 isn't discounted on black friday (for the games room). OLED I am personally waiting for them to drop below the £1K mark before I buy one for the bedroom to replace my GT50 Panny Plasma.
My living room TV will likely never be upgraded unless it dies. We hardly use it and it's a 4K IPS HDR LG top of the range. We needed the viewing angles and OLED isn't available in that size.
TV's are much like cars just because an OLED suits you doesn't mean it suits everyone else's usage. Otherwise just because I drive a 3 litre petrol sports car that does 0-60 in under 5 seconds doesn't mean it's suitable for you to drive 30K miles a year in as an example.
There was something that turned me off the NU8000 - I cant honestly remember what it was , if Im thinking of the same one I seem to recall its over 2 years old and still quite expensive (I was looking at 65" version admittedly) and I was also worried about the HDMI version for 4k being that age...although if its for a gaming monitor this is not an issue at all.
I think its the same age as my 40" 6400 that I got really cheap for my office, which is perfectly fine there but few things about it annoy me if it was my main tv (mainly how the OS / smart tv functionality works)
I think its the same age as my 40" 6400 that I got really cheap for my office, which is perfectly fine there but few things about it annoy me if it was my main tv (mainly how the OS / smart tv functionality works)
OLED is better than plasma for gaming, and I only had a touch of retention when gaming on a plasma - including some obscenely long gaming stints - and never any burn in. I've had extensive gaming sessions on my OLED too and not even a hint of retention. This is a 2017 model. I'm not saying it doesn't happen - pause a menu for a week and see what happens - but this isn't a concern. Now add 20ms input lag and that blacks are actually black - something that shocked me in how much better it makes video games look - and this is handsdown the best gaming panel I've gamed on. And there's every other piece of content looking a shed load better too.