QLED vs OLED

If you're going Sony avoid the AF8, the cpu is underpowered which makes the OS slow and unresponsive.

The AF9 is mucho moolah at the moment, tough call to justify an extra £1k. It does have a better cpu, so doesn't have the problem of the AF8. It has the funky A frame type stand though - so if you put it on a cabinet it needs to be quite deep (39cm) and obviously will tilt backwards. If you wall mount its nearly twice the depth of other TVs.

Also note both the Sonys do not have HDR on the youtube app and apparently the other apps are a bit iffy. HDR isn't great either due to strong dimming.

Panasonics do not have dolby vision and some (if not all) only do 4k over 2 HDMI ports.
 
that's ok, i cant see me ever gaming again or updating my PC..........as soon as i found out that Panny were going to be producing OLEDs i knew LG were living on borrowed time............just like the PLASMAS of old, Panasonic is just a superior product.
the thing is what about the Samsung Micro led? or next years Qled, my guess is next year's Panny OLED will be even better, well it's bound to be isn't it.............. the next gen tvs are out in spring.............wait till then !

it'll have to be 65'' because my Panny plasma is 55''
 
Mal X said:
that's ok, i cant see me ever gaming again or updating my PC..........as soon as i found out that Panny were going to be producing OLEDs i knew LG were living on borrowed time............just like the PLASMAS of old, Panasonic is just a superior product.
the thing is what about the Samsung Micro led? or next years Qled, my guess is next year's Panny OLED will be even better, well it's bound to be isn't it.............. the next gen tvs are out in spring.............wait till then !

it'll have to be 65'' because my Panny plasma is 55''
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Panasonic are dead in the TV market.

No idea why you have to buy them solely.

In a few years they will likely sell up or fold.

You do know that the oleds they make are actually LG panels?
 
Ability to manufacture oled panels, does not necessarily mean you have the expertise or market objective, to make the 'best' tv's.
Sony+pan have legacy experience in commercial film industry too, to cross-fertalize tv expertease too.
LG is/will be making amoled panels for Apple, but don't arguably, make the best phones, as another example.


...but, as I say, I would like to know why Pan is not back in the usa, high end clients must want their oled's
 
The Panasonic OLEDs have not been impressive so far, Sony have good picture processing but woeful operating system and underpowered internals leave a lot to be desired. LG have been striking a good balance between cost and features. Sony also using those stupid stands, why do they do that. Until burn in / retention is not an issue or is covered under warranty then I will avoid OLED.
 
200sols said:
The Panasonic OLEDs have not been impressive so far, Sony have good picture processing but woeful operating system and underpowered internals leave a lot to be desired. LG have been striking a good balance between cost and features. Sony also using those stupid stands, why do they do that. Until burn in / retention is not an issue or is covered under warranty then I will avoid OLED.
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Every review Ive read or listen to (from independent reviewers) have rated the Panasonic OLED's very highly.
Sony may have had a woeful OS, but this years model flies along (impossible to know if its the Android version or Sony's new Extreme processor that's the major difference or a bit of both)

Its something to differentiate them , which is always good from the manufacturers perspective and I believe the "picture" stand has the sub woofer built in (I think I read that somewhere anyway)

Most independent reviewers are suggesting that there is very little difference between Pana /Sony and LG - its more down to personal choice than picture quality (even their choice of processor gives a slight change in performance / options but not necessarily right or wrong, just a different bias on how they each want to present the picture).
 
Side by side, the Panasonic’s seems to have some weird tint compared to LG or Sony, it really is not for me. The most impressive TV I have seen this year is the Samsung Q9 but the price is outrageous.
 
Mal X said:
that's ok, i cant see me ever gaming again or updating my PC..........as soon as i found out that Panny were going to be producing OLEDs i knew LG were living on borrowed time............just like the PLASMAS of old, Panasonic is just a superior product.
the thing is what about the Samsung Micro led? or next years Qled, my guess is next year's Panny OLED will be even better, well it's bound to be isn't it.............. the next gen tvs are out in spring.............wait till then !

it'll have to be 65'' because my Panny plasma is 55''
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Mal X said:
RUBBISH stupid post, check the reviews before you post in
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Lol, that is all.....
 
200sols said:
The Panasonic OLEDs have not been impressive so far, Sony have good picture processing but woeful operating system and underpowered internals leave a lot to be desired. LG have been striking a good balance between cost and features. Sony also using those stupid stands, why do they do that. Until burn in / retention is not an issue or is covered under warranty then I will avoid OLED.
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Had mine for over a year now and no sign of any burn in at all, not even temporary retention.

Played hundreds of hours in games now too.
 
Nexus18 said:
Had mine for over a year now and no sign of any burn in at all, not even temporary retention.

Played hundreds of hours in games now too.
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Which doesn’t mean the problem does not exist. For me it’s not worth the worry, others feel differently.
 
FrankJH said:
Most independent reviewers are suggesting that there is very little difference between Pana /Sony and LG
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Vincent's about the only one that did a 3-way oled comparison afaik, and his compliments about sony/pan hdr brightness tone-mapping/eotf are what sold me,
although maybe that can be compensated in calibration.

200sols said:
Side by side, the Panasonic’s seems to have some weird tint compared to LG or Sony, it really is not for me
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I put a larger weight on reviews ... although, it's delinquent of Panasonic not to provide a better default/in-store config
(Pan money better spent on R&D not marketting ?... I don't remember a Pan oled tv add, just lg )
other than appraising build quality in a shop, I'm cynical about ability to tweak picture there, and see what it would look like in your environment.
 
FrankJH said:
Every review Ive read or listen to (from independent reviewers) have rated the Panasonic OLED's very highly.
Sony may have had a woeful OS, but this years model flies along (impossible to know if its the Android version or Sony's new Extreme processor that's the major difference or a bit of both)

Its something to differentiate them , which is always good from the manufacturers perspective and I believe the "picture" stand has the sub woofer built in (I think I read that somewhere anyway)

Most independent reviewers are suggesting that there is very little difference between Pana /Sony and LG - its more down to personal choice than picture quality (even their choice of processor gives a slight change in performance / options but not necessarily right or wrong, just a different bias on how they each want to present the picture).
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at last someone that makes sense, the Panasonic is rated the best OLED.....just like years ago when they made Plasmas, back then the LG Plasma was rubbish.

LG is only way ahead because they had a two year head start on Panasonic, nothing more.
i would never touch an LG after seeing their crappy plasmas.
 
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Nexus18 said:
Had mine for over a year now and no sign of any burn in at all, not even temporary retention.

Played hundreds of hours in games now too.
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Testing shows even an hour a day of static content is enough to burn an OLED.

If the games you play mostly have no HUD or static content then you will have no issues.

Varied content is the key to avoid burn in.

If I was buying a TV for console or PC use it would have to be LCD.

If buying for tv and movies then OLED.

Simple as that really.

If for mixed usage then it would have to be minimum 80% tv and movies content to be on the safe side.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
Testing shows even an hour a day of static content is enough to burn an OLED.

If the games you play mostly have no HUD or static content then you will have no issues.
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I use my C7 55 OLED for quite a bit of gaming, mostly Elite or Project Cars 2 which have plenty of static images, HUD etc. for long periods of time, easily 6 hrs some nights. I have Sky Sports/Sky News on for about 6 hrs a day, the cat even managed to sit on the Q remote and pause Sky Sports News for about 2 hrs once. I use high OLED light settings during day as it's in a very bright room.

Never seen burn in, never had any form of retention or ghosting. Never had to do a manual pixel refresh either. I use it exactly like I would use any other TV.

Yes, if you want to make it happen under certain conditions I'm sure you can, but the issue is so over stated. In my experience, probably 60% TV to 40% Gaming, OLED has been flawless.
 
jpaul said:
Vincent's about the only one that did a 3-way oled comparison afaik, and his compliments about sony/pan hdr brightness tone-mapping/eotf are what sold me,
although maybe that can be compensated in calibration.
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AVForums have also done a side by side in the past (not sure if it was on youtube or just podcast though)

jpaul said:
I put a larger weight on reviews ... although, it's delinquent of Panasonic not to provide a better default/in-store config
(Pan money better spent on R&D not marketting ?... I don't remember a Pan oled tv add, just lg )
other than appraising build quality in a shop, I'm cynical about ability to tweak picture there, and see what it would look like in your environment.
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How can they - every showroom , and potentially every position within the showroom could have different lighting etc - so would be impossible to have one default ......even if the staff in said showroom didn't **** about with the settings anyway

Its the showrooms responsibility to show each set to their potential best (but instead most showrooms have always but them on ultra bright etc etc)
 
HummuH1 said:
I use my C7 55 OLED for quite a bit of gaming, mostly Elite or Project Cars 2 which have plenty of static images, HUD etc. for long periods of time, easily 6 hrs some nights. I have Sky Sports/Sky News on for about 6 hrs a day, the cat even managed to sit on the Q remote and pause Sky Sports News for about 2 hrs once. I use high OLED light settings during day as it's in a very bright room.

Never seen burn in, never had any form of retention or ghosting. Never had to do a manual pixel refresh either. I use it exactly like I would use any other TV.

Yes, if you want to make it happen under certain conditions I'm sure you can, but the issue is so over stated. In my experience, probably 60% TV to 40% Gaming, OLED has been flawless.
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You can argue the point all you like, but it’s a fact that burn in is possible. If the issue is so rare and unlikely then it should be covered under warranty.
 
I think the whole OLED burn-in thing has been blown out of proportion. I use mine for console gaming, mostly playing stuff like God of War, Horizon Zero Dawn, Spider-Man, RDR2, a few CoD games, and I've never noticed an issue. Rtings ran a good test of OLED burn-in:

https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/real-life-oled-burn-in-test

CURRENT STANCE (11/05/2018 - 5371 HOURS)
After more than 5000 hours, there has been no appreciable change to the brightness or color gamut of these TVs. Long periods of static content have resulted in some permanent burn-in (see the CNN TVs), however the other TVs with more varied content don't yet have noticeable uniformity issues on normal content. As a result, we don't expect most people who watch varied content without static areas to experience burn-in issues with an OLED TV. Those who display the same static content over long periods of time should consider the risk of burn-in though (such as those who watch lots of news, use the TV as a PC monitor, or play the same game with a bright static HUD). Those who are concerned about the risk of burn-in should go with an LCD TV for the peace of mind.

Note that we expect burn-in to depend on a few factors:

  • The total duration of static content. LG has told us that they expect it to be cumulative, so static content which is present for 30 minutes twice a day is equivalent to one hour of static content once per day.
  • The brightness of the static content. Our maximum brightness CNN TV has more severe burn-in than our 200 nits brightness CNN TV.
  • The colors of the static areas. We found that in our 20/7 Burn-in Test the red sub-pixel is the fastest to degrade, followed by blue and then green.
To see how the results at this 5000 hour point compares to your usage, divide 5000 by the number of hours you watch each type of content per day to find the number of days. For example, someone who plays call of duty or another video game without bright static areas for 2 hours per day may expect similar results after about 2500 days of usage. This corresponds to about 7 years.

We will continue to run this test and collect data, and our stance may change as we obtain more information.
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Based on the latest uniformity photos in the test you can see that the affected TVs are the two running CNN, particularly the one running at max OLED light, and the one that has been running Fifa 18. The rest of the TVs appear unaffected. Frankly, if you run your OLED with the OLED light setting cranked all the way up then you're asking for trouble. Also, bear in mind that the TVs were run in the test for 20 hours a day, in four lots of five hours, with a one hour break in between. Even people who watch loads of TV won't get near that usage level.
 
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