Quad Core PC Vs Xbox 360?

Daytrader said:
well it looks a lot better but thats because its on my crt and higher res than the 360, think 360 is just 720P for bioshock, but deffo looks ace im just lacking good fps, and i had to turn a few options off, maybe because his 360 was on a lcd and there not as good as crt anyway, i mean detail on my crt and in the black areas was great but crap on his lcd with 360.
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Well i played both demo's next to each other. One running though my 20" tft and the other on my 40" HDTV. On my 1900XT-X the lighting was no where near as good. Infact some of it was banded, especially around lamps (driver issue i guess). Smoke and mist was not as good as on the xbox. Loading times were a lot faster too which was a big surprise considering the xbox doesn't have a 10k Hard-drive and a lot less system memory. There is a lot more to visuals then what rez a game runs at. At least when comparing it to my card using the hotfix drivers. The xbox version looked a lot more vivid to my eyes at least. Also his TV set is just crap by the sounds of things. Some the stuff people manage to sell these days is just crazy ><. Im not saying the 360 version is better but compared to my PC setup it was better.
 
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adam cool dude said:
Well i played both demo's next to each other. One running though my 20" tft and the other on my 40" HDTV. On my 1900XT-X the lighting was no where near as good. Infact some of it was banded, especially around lamps (driver issue i guess). Smoke and mist was not as good as on the xbox. Loading times were a lot faster too which was a big surprise considering the xbox doesn't have a 10k Hard-drive and a lot less system memory. There is a lot more to visuals then what rez a game runs at. At least when comparing it to my card using the hotfix drivers. The xbox version looked a lot more vivid to my eyes at least. Also his TV set is just crap by the sounds of things. Some the stuff people manage to sell these days is just crazy ><.
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but you only played it on your tft the pc version i mean, and we all know or should know that crt is a lot better for gaming on pc, i see things in games on my pc/crt that you cant on tft/lcd, like blacks and things in shadows etc plus games always look sharper/3D looking on crt screens, but thats another story, also the pc version of bioshock had lot more effects etc added.

quote: General rule of thumb appears to be: PC graphics at medium settings = X360 graphics when it comes to Bioshock's graphics. Your PC will provide "better" graphics than the 360 version, i was running at mediumn and a few at high, god knows what it would look like on a top pc, but for £300 console it still looks ok.
 
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He's comparing lcd to lcd, which is perfectly reasonable.

I've seen Bioshock running on both the 360 and pc (x1950xt) and there is very little in it. The framerate on the 360 version is fine and visually i'd say it's about on par with a dx9 pc on high. Obviously the res is limited to 720p. Being long used to playing fps with a pad and having no trouble getting headshots I went for the the 360 version for analogue movement, rumble and triggers. The pc version having no walk option was also put me off considerably - analogue movement done well craps on using a keyboard at the best of times, but no walk key in a stealthy immersion driven game like Bioshock makes no sense. Movement is handled particularly well on the 360 version of Bioshock and i'd hate to lose it.

So, if you're thumb challenged and and want a resolution higher than 720p, the pc version makes sense. Otherwise, the 360 all the way.
 
No walk in PC is a issue but thats DEV's lazyness, Splinter Cell games let you roll mouse button while moving to walk really slow to a full near sprint.

Man even press Shift to walk would have been better than nothing.
 
Daytrader said:
but you only played it on your tft the pc version i mean, and we all know or should know that crt is a lot better for gaming on pc, i see things in games on my pc/crt that you cant on tft/lcd, like blacks and things in shadows etc plus games always look sharper/3D looking on crt screens, but thats another story, also the pc version of bioshock had lot more effects etc added.

quote: General rule of thumb appears to be: PC graphics at medium settings = X360 graphics when it comes to Bioshock's graphics. Your PC will provide "better" graphics than the 360 version, i was running at mediumn and a few at high, god knows what it would look like on a top pc, but for £300 console it still looks ok.
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So your saying your 6800GS on medium settings looks better then the 360 version? I highly doubt that. If your running one of the new DX10 cards then yes but i couldn't fault the xbox version when comparing to the top DX9 cards. Also your comment about TFT's being bad was true maybe 7 years ago. TFT technology has moved on a lot since then and can equal a lot of the decent CRT displays.
 
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LCD is better now but still not as good as CRT for gamming and movies, World Gaming Champ Fatal1ty wont even play on them.

I game now on a 22" Mitsubishi CRT, its about the size of other 19" CRT's case wise, max res of 2048x1536 and upto 160HZ depending on res, I game now at 1920x1440 on it, but issue is my driver for it wont run on 64bit so I cant get right HZ or Colour .ini in Vista64 :mad:.

I did not like games on my 46" 1080p LCD, added to other issues I sent it back and still use my CRT till next gen of TV's and more HD content as SD looks bad on them
 
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You can't compare the two. It's pointless.

The Xbox360 is defined hardware therefore any company creating games are aware of its limitations, this is less of a problem because they only have to code and design around 1 set of specific hardware (if the game is only on one console). On PC however developers have to consistently adapt and manipulate stuff to be supported on a wide range of software.

This is the reason Halo looked brilliant on Xbox and ran well, yet PC's with better parts in every department would struggle.
 
adam cool dude said:
So your saying your 6800GS on medium settings looks better then the 360 version? I highly doubt that. If your running one of the new DX10 cards then yes but i couldn't fault the xbox version when comparing to the top DX9 cards. Also your comment about TFT's being bad was true maybe 7 years ago. TFT technology has moved on a lot since then and can equal a lot of the decent CRT displays.
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well yes i am saying that as a 6800gs is the same as a 8800 in dx9, its just that a 8800 can run at higest settings and better fps thats it, look wise the same for game, 2K the developers quoted "General rule of thumb appears to be: PC graphics at medium settings = X360 graphics when it comes to Bioshock's graphics. Your PC will provide "better" graphics than the 360 version" put it this way 6800gs and 8800 card running bioshock both on mediumn settings they would be exactly the same looking but thats ovious.

and yes i said xbox version looks nice also but i just prefer the pc looks.
 
make sense plOxX

lest sum this up and move on...

in answer to the thread question. yes, the pc is obviously better, as its pretty high end.

pc will always be more powerfull/better graphics but cost more to start with, but eventually after buying a few games the price if you were to buy xbox games would even it out.

so you should get a pc if you like fps's and mmorpg's and strategy games, but consoles are better for casual gamers and you cant beat a game of pro evo with your mates round.

so its down to what you prefer as a gamer on what to get, as each is better for different things.
 
adam cool dude said:
So your saying your 6800GS on medium settings looks better then the 360 version? I highly doubt that. If your running one of the new DX10 cards then yes but i couldn't fault the xbox version when comparing to the top DX9 cards. Also your comment about TFT's being bad was true maybe 7 years ago. TFT technology has moved on a lot since then and can equal a lot of the decent CRT displays.
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My Samsung SM-305T 30 does not match my 21" viewsonic crt for contrast, black levels & 3D looks far more solid on the CRT you can almost touch the objects in comparison.
There is still ghosting even at 6ms response time even tho its small i can still notice it.
The thing is that over time you get used to the limitations of LCD & forget that the difference ever existed, until i turn on my crt again & it brings the facts back again.
If there was a 30" CRT monitor that did this res i would swap it in a heartbeat.
 
helmutcheese said:
There is 32" HD CRT (1080i) Samsungs Slimfits, but they have major GEO issues, you can get a good or bad one, infact there is 3 models to choose from.
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How many kidneys and limbs do I need to sell to buy one of those? :D

Daytrader said:
21" is plenty for pc gaming at 18 inches from eyes, dont you think 30" screen is to close for pc gaming.
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I often use my 32" Bordeaux at between 5ft. and 12ft. for PC gaming.

May I ask what makes you think that PC gaming is limited to 18" from the display? :confused:
 
taz488 said:
but consoles are better for casual gamers
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What tosh.

The main problem the pc faces is the number of decent games that appear for the platform - a far cry from how things used to be, there is a distinct lack of quality. With consoles, on the other hand, we're spoilt for choice when it comes to innovation, creativity, challenge, variety ....
 
Ulfhedjinn said:
How many kidneys and limbs do I need to sell to buy one of those? :D

I use my 32" Bordeaux at between 5ft. and 12ft. for PC gaming.

May I ask what makes you think that PC gaming is limited to 18" from the display? :confused:
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i just assumed you played at desk, as how do you use mouse/keyboard from sofa if pc in corner of room, i would be interested myself to play pc games on big screen.
 
Daytrader said:
get them for like £300 i think but like other poster says there is problems with them, think i saw a set at comet a while go cheap.
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£300! :( If I'd known I would've got one of those instead of a HD LCD lol, the black issues etc.

Daytrader said:
i just assumed you played at desk, as how do you use mouse/keyboard from sofa if pc in corner of room, i would be interested myself to play pc games on big screen.
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Personally I use a sort of tray I built to sit a keyboard and mouse on, works perfectly on a sofas, beanbags, beds etc. and it's not too heavy or too big/clumbsy. Makes for some really comfortable gaming and some awesome visuals. :)
 
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I owned one of the Samsung 32" HD crts and had the delivery guys collect on the way back to the depot on the same day! It was awful - poor sd (little better than your average lcd), hd that lacked in detail and rubbish geometry. In the end I went for the JVC HD crt which, while it has its own problems, was a far better set, especailly with high def. It was like having a 32" monitor :)

It's a shame that HD crts never took off in this country. If you have the space for them they poo all over lcd and plasma screens.
 
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