Queen Elizabeth II has passed away - keep posts civil and respectful

Murphy said:
So as another poster said..."Another one of those idiots that thinks freedom of speech means freedom from consequences." then?
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This isn't relevant here. The "consequences" talked about are societal, not applied to the state. State limits on Freedom of Expression are different.

Roar87 said:
Freedom of speech literally means you aren't going to be persecuted for your speech by the government. Otherwise what does it mean?
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Freedom of Expression, especially in the European conception, has always recognised that there are limits on Freedom of Expression. Yelling "fire" in the theatre is the classic example, but there are many others. As the EHRC puts it:

Although you have freedom of expression, you also have a duty to behave responsibly and to respect other people’s rights.

Public authorities may restrict this right if they can show that their action is lawful, necessary and proportionate in order to:
  • protect national security, territorial integrity (the borders of the state) or public safety
  • prevent disorder or crime
  • protect health or morals
  • protect the rights and reputations of other people
  • prevent the disclosure of information received in confidence
  • maintain the authority and impartiality of judges

An authority may be allowed to restrict your freedom of expression if, for example, you express views that encourage racial or religious hatred.

However, the relevant public authority must show that the restriction is ‘proportionate’, in other words that it is appropriate and no more than necessary to address the issue concerned.​

As I said above, I think mourners at a funeral procession deserve protection from harassment. There have been a number of incidents now, though, and while some seem proportionate, others seem inappropriate and it really does seem the Police have been given a blanket order to stop dissent and protest which is not okay.
 
inogen said:
I mean, yeah, but really? Not worrying about feeding their kids over the winter or putting new school uniforms on their backs. It's the Queen dying that's the straw? Really? I mean I know some people have taken it harder than others, but man. I think most people that are upset about the Queen aren't really THAT bothered if push comes to shove.
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Personally I'm barely affected (I don't mean that in a disrespectful way but I'm just not invested emotionally to the royal family) but I've seen how some people are really struggling as they see it as a decline or a catalyst for the end of an era and the start of some dystopian era/existence. Depression can be triggered by funny things.
 
I'd hardly call being asked for your details state sponsored harassment or a restriction on your freedoms, sure if it happens multiple times and/or you're already known to officer doing the asking you can start calling it a police state or whatever, but making those sorts of claims when there's such a high profile event and the police are obviously going to be extra vigilant seems like a bit of an over-reaction to me.
 
Quartz said:
Fuel isn’t the issue; I’m thinking more of comfort breaks.
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Take Marmalade sandwiches and tea in a flask. :p

I have to say that I am really impressed by King Charles so far. I did think that his first ever speech as King to us, was superb.

I really wasn't sure at all about him taking over from the Queen, and although he looks emotionally broken at times and understandably exhausted (It's a huge ask for someone at his age), to me, he gives off a feeling of reassuring stability.

Scotland certainly have done me proud the last few days and it has been heartwarming to learn how much the Scots and Scotland, meant to the Queen.
 
ic1male said:
Not for me, I'm loving every second. I shall be writing to the BBC and ITV congratulating them on their thorough coverage for those of us who can't be a part of it in person.

/nojoke :D
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I've pretty much been glued to BBC1 watching it too!! No shame in enjoying it, as I feel the same way and I'm loving feeling part of something so historical. :)
 
Roar87 said:
Freedom of speech literally means you aren't going to be persecuted for your speech by the government. Otherwise what does it mean?
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Our laws do not permit freedom of speech. We've always had slander laws, libel laws, and more recently incitement laws
There has never been freedom of speech in the UK.
 
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