Quest 3 owners etc

[Ravenger]

Try Virtual Desktop. I've had a lot of issues with Airlink recently (Updates seem to break it regularly), switched to Virtual desktop and was surprised about how well it ran.

Steam Link has always been stuttery for me. Nothing I've tried can fix it.

 

[Buddy]

See what codec it is using.

What you could try is forcing it to H.264 by changing that in the Oculus Debug tool. It's called Video Codec. Then change the Encode Bitrate to 250. See what the performance is like with those settings.

If it's already using the H.264 codec, then change the Video Codec setting in the Oculus debug tool to H.265. And the Encode bitrate to 125. And see what happens with those settings.

Significantly better.
A little stuttering with hand movements still.
What resolution should I put it on in meta desktop app graphic settings. Default is 4128 x 2208. What's the quest 2 default?

Also re resolution. If I change it in the steam link app does it override the above?

@Ravenger thanks might try it if these changes don't work.

Airlink is completely broken.

 

[melmac]

Significantly better.
A little stuttering with hand movements still.
What resolution should I put it on in meta desktop app graphic settings. Default is 4128 x 2208. What's the quest 2 default?

Also re resolution. If I change it in the steam link app does it override the above?

@Ravenger thanks might try it if these changes don't work.

Airlink is completely broken.

Just a thought, can you check your settings in steam VR. Make sure you have the custom resolution/resolution per eye set at 100% Sometimes this gets set at some crazy value that causes stuttering.

Which codec has worked best for you? H.264 or H.265?

 

[Buddy]

Just a thought, can you check your settings in steam VR. Make sure you have the custom resolution/resolution per eye set at 100% Sometimes this gets set at some crazy value that causes stuttering.

Which codec has worked best for you? H.264 or H.265?

So oculus desktop app is set to 100%
Steam I've got it under 100%

I've got it on H.264 at the moment. Didn't try H.265.

 

[melmac]

So oculus desktop app is set to 100%
Steam I've got it under 100%

I've got it on H.264 at the moment. Didn't try H.265.

That's fine.

Does the Stutter happen in all games? What games have you tried? Do you have any Oculus games that you can try from the Meta app?

Did you try the performance overlay? What is it telling you? Especially when it stutters.

And what refresh rate are you using?

 

[Buddy]

That's fine.

Does the Stutter happen in all games? What games have you tried? Do you have any Oculus games that you can try from the Meta app?

Did you try the performance overlay? What is it telling you? Especially when it stutters.

And what refresh rate are you using?

I did tick the overlay but hasn't appeared using steam link - is it only through air link ? I've only tried alyx. All my other games are on oculus pc app that I can't use because airlink is unusable.

In doing 72 hz atm. Didn't push it any higher.

 

[Buddy]

Well I bought VD. Seems significantly smoother. Trying to work out the best settings.
I brought up the performance readings- overall lag is around 40. I've got stable 1200 connection with the router with no real change in the pings beneath it.

With steamlink I was getting juddering in the hands only. The environment was fine.
Now with VD the hands are super smooth but the environment will occasionally judder esp if I crouch down or up.

 

[Vimes]

Well I bought VD. Seems significantly smoother. Trying to work out the best settings.
I brought up the performance readings- overall lag is around 40. I've got stable 1200 connection with the router with no real change in the pings beneath it.

With steamlink I was getting juddering in the hands only. The environment was fine.
Now with VD the hands are super smooth but the environment will occasionally judder esp if I crouch down or up.

To work out where the lag is occurring this can help.....

fpsVR on Steam

Utility for SteamVR for keeping track of FPS, frame time and other performance metrics in the in-game overlay. Easily change SteamVR settings in the fpsVR settings overlay in the SteamVR dashboard. Headset cable twist tracking and other useful features.

store.steampowered.com

Altho VD performance information and settings could give you something to with with.

If you can't get airlink to work correctly I would be tempted to remove everything Meta on the PC, try and wipe any settings. Then reinstall it anew.

 

[drakulton]

support contacted me and i supplied the requested info but waiting to here back now.
just waiting for it to hit everyone else.
i dont even think l gave the wrong date on the once facebook account i had. so its just a bit odd to me.

I just had the dreaded confirm your age email...... now what was that random date I used when I created my oculus account.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Well I bought VD. Seems significantly smoother. Trying to work out the best settings.
I brought up the performance readings- overall lag is around 40. I've got stable 1200 connection with the router with no real change in the pings beneath it.

With steamlink I was getting juddering in the hands only. The environment was fine.
Now with VD the hands are super smooth but the environment will occasionally judder esp if I crouch down or up.

I find VD is much smoother, overall lag at 40 is decent , mine hovers between 30 and 40.
I don't get any stuttering at all unless I increase the bitrate high towards 200

 

[Vimes]

@Buddy

BTW you could test with a cable, if you have one, to see how the games play. The same games that are giving you issues with wireless. That should tell you if your issues are wireless focussed or something to do with your PC etc......

 

[Buddy]

@Buddy

BTW you could test with a cable, if you have one, to see how the games play. The same games that are giving you issues with wireless. That should tell you if your issues are wireless focussed or something to do with your PC etc......

The annoying part in all this is that it worked perfectly on quest 2. Same game on steam link.

Even when I put settings down same issue though I feel like I'm getting there with troubleshooting.

 

[Vimes]

The annoying part in all this is that it worked perfectly on quest 2. Same game on steam link.

Even when I put settings down same issue though I feel like I'm getting there with troubleshooting.

Air link should work, almost out of the box with the spec you have. Something seems too be compromising that. VD and fpsVR, between them, have decent tools and information to help to see where about the latency, and potential GPU / CPU bottlenecks, could be coming from.
Perhaps wrong, but, as noted, I would consider installing the Meta software cleanly on your PC.
Being really new to VR, first headset a Quest 3, and Air Link, Steam Link, VD etc all seemed to work as expected. Just dialling in to see what suits, like for us the room where the router is, biggest floor space, is the one where the signal is the best and so that will be primarily used.
I now have a cable, able to inject charging into it, for sat down PCVR titles when I get round to testing that more, and using the Dev tools to increase bitrate etc.

Chances are if you get air link to work as expected perhaps other issues will be resolved. Good place to start.


Surprised at your need to troubleshoot, so much.

 

[melmac]

I did tick the overlay but hasn't appeared using steam link - is it only through air link ? I've only tried alyx. All my other games are on oculus pc app that I can't use because airlink is unusable.

In doing 72 hz atm. Didn't push it any higher.

Sorry, was away yesterday evening and didn't have time to respond.

Ok, first of all, everything I suggested was to try and get airlink working. Nothing you change in the Debug tool makes any difference to Steam Link.

I see you purchased Virtual Desktop and tried the Performance overlay. You have Game, Network, encoding and decoding. Do any of those go into the orange/red when it stutters?

When you say Airlink is unusable, do you mean that you can't start it at all? Or that its just too laggy/stuttery when you try to use it? Even in the Oculus app before you even start a game?

Things to try that are known to cause problems with the Oculus app. Have you tried disabling the game bar/game mode on windows 11. Also disable hardware scheduling.

 

[toString]

Just in case it helps.. the overlay appears if you press. Kth thumb sticks down while using VD.

 

[Buddy]

Sorry, was away yesterday evening and didn't have time to respond.

Ok, first of all, everything I suggested was to try and get airlink working. Nothing you change in the Debug tool makes any difference to Steam Link.

I see you purchased Virtual Desktop and tried the Performance overlay. You have Game, Network, encoding and decoding. Do any of those go into the orange/red when it stutters?

When you say Airlink is unusable, do you mean that you can't start it at all? Or that its just too laggy/stuttery when you try to use it? Even in the Oculus app before you even start a game?

Things to try that are known to cause problems with the Oculus app. Have you tried disabling the game bar/game mode on windows 11. Also disable hardware scheduling.

Thanks.

It stutters even in occulus app as in it's so laggy I can't even go through the menu.

When I tested VD alyx - I get 5 fps drops (yellow) when it stutters I think. The rest is stable including network. The fps drops make no difference even if I make the game look like a potato. However there seems to a mismatch somewhere because in the overlay says the resolution is x1.5 etc. I then manually reduce it in steam vr via VD doesn't make much of a difference.

Also, the bitrate us on auto atm. It autos to 75 and maxes at 99 even though the connection is solid and says 1200 mbs. So I plan to turn that auto off and try 200 tonight.

I'll try disabling game mode etc tonight when I try it out.

Interestingly I briefly tried Population via VD from meta on pc. Seemed smooth without stuttering.

 

[Buddy]

Air link should work, almost out of the box with the spec you have. Something seems too be compromising that. VD and fpsVR, between them, have decent tools and information to help to see where about the latency, and potential GPU / CPU bottlenecks, could be coming from.
Perhaps wrong, but, as noted, I would consider installing the Meta software cleanly on your PC.
Being really new to VR, first headset a Quest 3, and Air Link, Steam Link, VD etc all seemed to work as expected. Just dialling in to see what suits, like for us the room where the router is, biggest floor space, is the one where the signal is the best and so that will be primarily used.
I now have a cable, able to inject charging into it, for sat down PCVR titles when I get round to testing that more, and using the Dev tools to increase bitrate etc.

Chances are if you get air link to work as expected perhaps other issues will be resolved. Good place to start.


Surprised at your need to troubleshoot, so much.

I agree it's frustrating. Something not right with the airlink. Might try hard deleting oculus folder and reinstalling. Are there any files in c: that linger ?

 

[melmac]

It stutters even in occulus app as in it's so laggy I can't even go through the menu.

That's strange. I wonder what the issue is. Is your PC oculus app updated to the latest version? Or are you using a Public Test Channel version? Do you have a USB C cable that you could try?

When I tested VD alyx - I get 5 fps drops (yellow) when it stutters I think. The rest is stable including network. The fps drops make no difference even if I make the game look like a potato. However there seems to a mismatch somewhere because in the overlay says the resolution is x1.5 etc. I then manually reduce it in steam vr via VD doesn't make much of a difference.

Seems to be a little confusion here. When you use Virtual desktop the resolution you set in the Oculus App doesn't apply. The 1.5x doesn't matter. In Virtual desktop you go into the streaming settings to change the resolution based on the GPU you have.

In Steam VR set the resolution per eye to 100%. If you set it at anything over that it's super sampling.

Also, the bitrate us on auto atm. It autos to 75 and maxes at 99 even though the connection is solid and says 1200 mbs. So I plan to turn that auto off and try 200 tonight.

Yes, turn off the auto bitrate and set it to whatever you need to. What codec have you selected or have you that on Auto too?

Interestingly I briefly tried Population via VD from meta on pc. Seemed smooth without stuttering.

hmm, in Steam VR try changing to OpenXR. It's in the advanced, Developer section of the settings.

 

[Buddy]

That's strange. I wonder what the issue is. Is your PC oculus app updated to the latest version? Or are you using a Public Test Channel version? Do you have a USB C cable that you could try?




Seems to be a little confusion here. When you use Virtual desktop the resolution you set in the Oculus App doesn't apply. The 1.5x doesn't matter. In Virtual desktop you go into the streaming settings to change the resolution based on the GPU you have.

In Steam VR set the resolution per eye to 100%. If you set it at anything over that it's super sampling.



Yes, turn off the auto bitrate and set it to whatever you need to. What codec have you selected or have you that on Auto too?



hmm, in Steam VR try changing to OpenXR. It's in the advanced, Developer section of the settings.

Yes, when I told VD which card i have it stuck the resolution to 150%. So I'll pick a lower card this time.

I'll try a cable.

 

[Vimes]

I agree it's frustrating. Something not right with the airlink. Might try hard deleting oculus folder and reinstalling. Are there any files in c: that linger ?

Not sure, you can check that.

I note, as I have mentioned things like fpsVR, there are useful tips and aids. VD can offer those, as noted. BUT....
Those involve bringing other variables to your wireless connection beyond the native Airlink that you can't get working.
I understand I'm repeating here, but I would focus on that without VD running etc.....

That should work.

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Could help, albeit an older model. Principles should be the same.