Quit smoking. Vape good or bad.

HaloUK · 30 Sep 2015 at 15:54

wellibob said:
No intention to smoke anything. I'm 46 now and lesson learnt. I'm just curious about people's attitudes and vapors who changed to electronic to quit but ended up addicted and say it harms nobody.

Good for you m8!

I quit 3 years ago and I could easily start up again. I guess I will always have this battle.... hope not. Not addicted but I watch people light up or get a smell of a freshly lit cig and think yeh, I could smoke one. Evil bloody things. :mad:

I would say use vaping to help people quit or replace cigs... better for you.

russell664 · 30 Sep 2015 at 15:56

It is I guess, being addicted to a very bad thing, to a less bad thing, which ever way you look at.

HaloUK · 30 Sep 2015 at 15:58

thebennyboy said:
Of course. I know plenty of people that do vape with no nicotine.

*shocked look* Didn't realise you could get nicotine free. I still wouldn't vape as its too close to smoking and its just dangling that carrot in front of my face... no thanks.

Uncle Petey · 30 Sep 2015 at 16:00

wellibob said:
I'm looking at people quitting smoking real cigarettes and the use of electronic to do this is great. It's very rare I see anyone smoke a real cigarette but I see 'lots' vaping. I've no problem with this just want educating on why people keep doing it and have no intention to stop.

Because many just enjoy the inhale/exhale part of smoking, but don't want all the crap that comes with cigs.
Having a massive variety of tasty flavours is a bonus.

Wazz-1 · 30 Sep 2015 at 16:08

Moses said:
They don't exhale anything harmful? So no nicotine? How can you say for sure when you surely don't know what happens to all the random fluids people use (there's a ridiculous variety... have they all been tested)? And compared to usual background levels in what context? Eg. obviously by the road on a central London street during rush hour the air quality's not going to be the best, but in an office..? Link me up?

In conclusion, the levels of nicotine absorbed from “passive vaping” are not only harmless but do not even produce any biological effect (not even heart rate acceleration). Considering the possibility that allowing e-cigarette use in public places may motivate smokers to switch to e-cigarette use, there is no scientific basis for any bans on e-cigarette use in public places.

Fill ya boots

Twirlywoos · 30 Sep 2015 at 16:08

wellibob said:
I'm just curious about these dense clouds people exhale and often seem quite proud of themselves. I'm nor knocking it but many who I've seen moved to these vapor cigarettes seem as addictive as ever and smoke more often because it isn't traditional cigarettes and it's safe to 'exhale' clouds of smoke around the room. Outside fine but obviously inside is there any real danger. Some of it does smell lovely btw (passively)

There are two groups of Vapers

1. Who use it as therapy to quit smoking
2. Those who use it as a fashion statement and enter silly competitions.

Group 2 are pathetic imo but each to their own.

balky12 · 30 Sep 2015 at 16:08

Moses said:
They don't exhale anything harmful? So no nicotine? How can you say for sure when you surely don't know what happens to all the random fluids people use (there's a ridiculous variety... have they all been tested)? And compared to usual background levels in what context? Eg. obviously by the road on a central London street during rush hour the air quality's not going to be the best, but in an office..? Link me up?

Nicotine isn't harmful. So even if you did exhale nicotine, it's not a problem.

http://www.ecigarette-research.com/web/index.php/2013-04-07-09-50-07/2014/184-passive-vape

Most juices are tested. At least the big brands, big retailers, etc.

EDIT: already linked. But yea... enjoy.

How do I know? I have vaped for a couple years. So I am pretty clued up.

Luggs · 30 Sep 2015 at 16:12

Moses said:
How do you know the stuff which they use to make a massive variety of tasty flavours doesn't break down into similarly harmful stuff when heated up as it is?

how do you know that every breath you inhale bringing pollutants into your body doesn't break down into similarly harmful stuff... lol

it would have to be seriously ****** up to be worse than fags now...

cheesyboy · 30 Sep 2015 at 16:13

Vaping undoubtedly looks super naff, but it doesn't otherwise appear to be especially harmful.

Lots of people moving from cigarettes to vaping is a good thing in terms of disease prevention.

something daft already!! · 30 Sep 2015 at 16:14

IMO, if you use a vapouriser you are still an addict. You are paying for something which gives no pleasure, causes large clouds of smelly vapour and you need to carry it around with you, ensure it's charged etc. It still costs you money for nothing apart from removing a craving you really shouldn't have.

I had one when I gave up but I am pleased to say it failed after a few weeks so I just used patches until I didn't need them any more, about 4 months of patch therapy was the answer for me.

They are basically methadone for Nicotine addicts.

Wazz-1 · 30 Sep 2015 at 16:17

howiepoohs said:
IMO, if you use a vapouriser you are still an addict. You are paying for something which gives no pleasure, causes large clouds of smelly vapour and you need to carry it around with you, ensure it's charged etc. It still costs you money for nothing apart from removing a craving you really shouldn't have.

I had one when I gave up but I am pleased to say it failed after a few weeks so I just used patches until I didn't need them any more, about 4 months of patch therapy was the answer for me.

They are basically methadone for Nicotine addicts.

Lol

balky12 · 30 Sep 2015 at 16:23

howiepoohs said:
IMO, if you use a vapouriser you are still an addict. You are paying for something which gives no pleasure, causes large clouds of smelly vapour and you need to carry it around with you, ensure it's charged etc. It still costs you money for nothing apart from removing a craving you really shouldn't have.

I had one when I gave up but I am pleased to say it failed after a few weeks so I just used patches until I didn't need them any more, about 4 months of patch therapy was the answer for me.

They are basically methadone for Nicotine addicts.

Most ignorant post award goes to...

Educate yourself before spouting nonsense please.

No one is debating whether or not you are still an addict.

I would construct an intelligent post. But it would be wasted on you.

I enjoy vaping though. So that's one argument of yours gone. Plenty of things out there people pay for that give them no pleasure also...

I do sense a certain 'I have given up therefore I am holier than thou' :rolleyes:

spoffle · 30 Sep 2015 at 16:27

Moses said:
They don't exhale anything harmful? So no nicotine? How can you say for sure when you surely don't know what happens to all the random fluids people use (there's a ridiculous variety... have they all been tested)? And compared to usual background levels in what context? Eg. obviously by the road on a central London street during rush hour the air quality's not going to be the best, but in an office..? Link me up?

I feel like you're just making stuff up, because you're making a load of assumptions that don't really make sense

What are these random fluids you're talking about?

spoffle · 30 Sep 2015 at 16:28

howiepoohs said:
IMO, if you use a vapouriser you are still an addict. You are paying for something which gives no pleasure, causes large clouds of smelly vapour and you need to carry it around with you, ensure it's charged etc. It still costs you money for nothing apart from removing a craving you really shouldn't have.

I had one when I gave up but I am pleased to say it failed after a few weeks so I just used patches until I didn't need them any more, about 4 months of patch therapy was the answer for me.

They are basically methadone for Nicotine addicts.

So I take it you don't consume anything with caffeine in it?

balky12 · 30 Sep 2015 at 16:31

spoffle said:
I feel like you're just making stuff up, because you're making a load of assumptions that don't really make sense

What are these random fluids you're talking about?

He will be talking about the nicotine, vegetable glycerine and propylene glycol, (insert flavouring) e-juice.

You know... the not so random fluids. As they are all basically the same except for the flavouring.

spoffle · 30 Sep 2015 at 16:33

Yeah, I know what's in them. I'm curious as to why he's making odd assumptions and where they're coming from.

balky12 · 30 Sep 2015 at 16:34

spoffle said:
Yeah, I know what's in them. I'm curious as to why he's making odd assumptions and where they're coming from.

Think he is probably still mad that he couldn't work out how to use his first vaporiser.

spoffle · 30 Sep 2015 at 16:35

Haha

tom_e · 30 Sep 2015 at 16:35

spoffle said:
I feel like you're just making stuff up, because you're making a load of assumptions that don't really make sense

What are these random fluids you're talking about?

He's not assuming anything they're all questions, and to be fair ones that can't be answered until some real long term studies are done.
Smoking was sold as something good for you back when it first became popular and look how that turned out.

Substances that are normally non harmful can quite easily become harmful when they're taken in a way that has never been done before such as heating and inhaling rather than ingesting.

I'm not saying vaping is bad, just that you've got to get some balance.

Twirlywoos · 30 Sep 2015 at 16:39

howiepoohs said:
IMO, if you use a vapouriser you are still an addict.

Addicted to Nicotine, yes. But you can control how much nicotine you take.

You are paying for something which gives no pleasure,

False. Go cold turkey with cigarettes and watch how cranky, irritable and sometimes violent people can get. No such side effects when swapping to vaping.

causes large clouds of smelly vapour

Unless you vaped "Poo through your letterbox" or playing on your username "How I poo" the elqiuids I've had smell like sweet shops.

and you need to carry it around with you, ensure it's charged etc.

No more than carrying around a pack of cigarettes and a lighter. Yes it needs to be charged or it won't work

It still costs you money for nothing apart from removing a craving you really shouldn't have.

Costs a hell of a lot less than cigarettes. Looking at my vaping signature which I cannot post here, I swapped cigarettes for vaping 941 days and 15 hours ago. £6591.53 saved and 18833 cigarettes avoided! Before you say you haven't accounted for mods and eliquids then that varies for each individual as some have turned vaping into a hobby.

Nicotine is more than a craving it's an addiction. If I could get rid of it I would but then some people like having something to do/hold.

I had one when I gave up but I am pleased to say it failed after a few weeks so I just used patches until I didn't need them any more, about 4 months of patch therapy was the answer for me.

Vaping is just nrt, whether you used ecigs, inhalers, patches or gum to swap or to quit smoking, it's all the same apart from you gave up completely. I could easily give up vaping too but then I don't want to atm and I have no desire to smoke again.

They are basically methadone for Nicotine addicts.

Are you a member of some body building forum? Because that is the kind of crap they would say.