There is no meaningful causative link between race and crime, which makes the above post seem very racist.
Race report: 'UK not deliberately rigged against ethnic minorities'
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There is no meaningful causative link between race and crime, which makes the above post seem very racist.
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I mean it is a fact that black people commit a higher proportion of crimes. Therefore I would fully expect more black people to be searched as part of that reasoning I expect the increase in who gets stopped for searches would be linked to descriptions of individuals wanted for crimes.
Just because it is a fact that black people commit a higher proportion of crimes does not make it racist to talk about that fact.
You're still doing it. The reason black people are overrepresented in crime stats has nothing to do with their race, and everything to do with them being overrepresented in socioeconomic groups that do provide a causative effect on the likelihood of criminal behaviour. When you adjust for those factors, any link to ethnicity goes away.
So to blame a whole race for unrelated criminality of individuals within it is most definitely racist.
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It's irrelevant, my point works both ways. If white people committed proportionally more crimes (for whatever excuse you want to use as the reason crimes are committed) then I would fully expect white people to be searched more often as a result of several factors, it doesn't make it racist. It would actually keep everyone safer. Police will stop and search those who look like they are up to no good. If more of those people are black then more of those will be stopped. If you're well dressed in a suit do you think you'd ever really be stopped regardless of race?
If at the end of the day you're minding your own business and not doing anything wrong / suspicious then I'm sure you'll get on fine in life regardless of your race.
Now you're just putting silly words in people's mouths.
is there anything he hasnt backed away from? even his own children lol...
he's a spineless jelly fish constantly doing 180s
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Then you agree with it. Think of a better way that isn't discriminatory towards whatever the target set happen to be and I am sure you will be valued asset in target acquisition.
If certain person matches a b c d of gathered information then guess what.... certain person has become questionable. Irrespective of skin colour although the ugly truth is skin colour is a great piece of ID.
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Yeh you did. You agree with stop and search..
So you agree with how it works. So the bit about a black guy inna tracksuit has no relevance to the other bit. You just put that it in for a bit more virtue signalling.
Intel gathering doesn't do virtue signalling.
So you agree with how it works. So the bit about a black guy inna tracksuit has no relevance to the other bit. You just put that it in for a bit more virtue signalling.
Intel gathering doesn't do virtue signalling.
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The first two paragraphs of the BBC article which was referenced in the opening post read:
I suspect that some study will have shown that poor people living in a poor family structure are more likely to break the law than rich people living in a stable family structure. On that basis it is hardly surprising that the Police will tend to target people who conform to a steroetype of poor people living in a poor family structure.
I have for a very long time had two very good Black friends, neither are poor, one works in the City of London and the other has a PhD, both come from and are currently living in stable family structures, both get stopped and searched regularly . . . I am not Black, I don't work in the City of London and I don't have a PHD - I have never been stopped and searched.
It seems to be a characteristic of most lifeforms that they are resistant to change and are wary of "difference".
"Vive la différence" is not a commonly held view in my experience, much more common is "People like us" . . . so it goes
So to that extent it seems fair to say that poor people living in a poor family structure are likely to remain poor and in a poor family structure - regardless of the colour of their skin.
I suspect that some study will have shown that poor people living in a poor family structure are more likely to break the law than rich people living in a stable family structure. On that basis it is hardly surprising that the Police will tend to target people who conform to a steroetype of poor people living in a poor family structure.
I have for a very long time had two very good Black friends, neither are poor, one works in the City of London and the other has a PhD, both come from and are currently living in stable family structures, both get stopped and searched regularly . . . I am not Black, I don't work in the City of London and I don't have a PHD - I have never been stopped and searched.
It seems to be a characteristic of most lifeforms that they are resistant to change and are wary of "difference".
"Vive la différence" is not a commonly held view in my experience, much more common is "People like us" . . . so it goes
“this forum isn’t racist” but allows dog whistles that then escalate to, blatant racism.
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You need to stop going around and labelling everyone racist. You have a big chip on your shoulder every time.
I love the way that poster continues to reinforce the racism of his position, using wonderful language like 'whatever excuse you want to use'.
While I disagree that an imbalance of stop and search must be attributable to racism, there is no other way you can read stumblebums post other than a blatantly racist dogwhistle, that is now trying to be wrapped in an 'I'm not racist but...' pseudodefence
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If proportionally a higher amount of black people commit crime would you also not expect more black people to be stop and searched? Because if you don't then that is astonishing.
I disagree with your proposed solution and the framing of it, rather than the problem statement.
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My proposed solution... framing of it... problem statement? Can you stop making everyone one of your posts cryptic and make your points clearer if you wish to have a discussion.
your in your patrol vehicle it's 2:33am.
your driving along a main road and see a guy in flashy trainers, baggy jeans, dark hoody with the hood up walking along the back streets.
is it racist to stop and search? you don't even know the race, do you think the police can always tell someone isn't white before they make a decision ?
people who dress a certain street wise way are more likely to be the target.
when you see that 30-40year old guy dressed like he's a chav you know he's dodgy.
it doesn't take 200IQ to work it out that he likely has criminal tendencies.
the police will know most of the criminals in an area anyway so some people will get stopped a lot more than others.
I guess you could argue it's not fair to make presumptions that they haven't changed but the odds are they are still up to the same stuff
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Why are men being stopped and searched more than women?
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Thats all very well and good but sadly for many black people they dont have to be wearing baggy clothing to get stopped and searched.
Because women are too busy being sexually harrassed by men.
What a stupid question.