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Radeon RX 480 "Polaris" Launched at $199

I really do hope for the sake of future GPU hardware, that the 480 is an excellent GPU. Just how interesting would it be for us all if the 480 did meet 1070 speeds?
Red or Green we all gain, am rooting for this GPU.
I'm going to get a 480 so long as it's just slightly faster than a 390X. If it hits 1070 speeds, it'll be one of the best bargains in GPU history. So hell yes, I want that.

I'm not just going to get hyped over that, thinking it's what will happen. I've noticed that there often tends to be a lot of overhyping when it comes to AMD stuff, so I'd like to remain cautious.
 
I really do hope for the sake of future GPU hardware, that the 480 is an excellent GPU. Just how interesting would it be for us all if the 480 did meet 1070 speeds?
Red or Green we all gain, am rooting for this GPU.

At the end of the day thats the thing, everyone on all sides keep saying competition is good.

If this card and its leaked numbers are true it really is a disruptive card, it should force a price drop on Nvidia's side.

Thats good for all of us.
 
There's several people here thinking it could very well do that.

Also, 1% clock increase does not automatically translate to 1% performance increase by any means.

If a 480 can OC'd in a stable manner which can match 1070 FE also OC'd, not only would i be shocked - but the pig flying over my house would be aswell.

I'm completely rooting for AMD this generation as it shows from my previous post, i want to see more competition in the market... But to expect a £230 odd card to match a £400 card is asking a bit much... Best scenario is an OC'd 480 will be within 15% of a OC'd 1070 FE, forcing Nvidia to adjust their pricing strategy. Also gives a fantastic indication for the potential performance of Vega.
 
I'm going to get a 480 so long as it's just slightly faster than a 390X. If it hits 1070 speeds, it'll be one of the best bargains in GPU history. So hell yes, I want that.

I'm not just going to get hyped over that, thinking it's what will happen. I've noticed that there often tends to be a lot of overhyping when it comes to AMD stuff, so I'd like to remain cautious.

I'll be definitely buying it, if its faster than 390x or 980 or matches them.
 
And official AMD number for the 480 in the Steam VR bench.

That test was with old drivers and even then the test itself doesn't reflect how it will perform in games..

I only get 2.7 with a single 7950 OC to 1165MHz. Crossfire would therefore give about 5 in the steam VR test compared to 7.1 or higher for a 390X.

However in games the crossfire 7950's I had previously were as fast as a 390x/980.
 
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At the end of the day thats the thing, everyone on all sides keep saying competition is good.

If this card and its leaked numbers are true it really is a disruptive card, it should force a price drop on Nvidia's side.

Thats good for all of us.

Disruptive is hardly the word. Between Fury (/Nano) and 980Ti performance at ~100W and $199/230, potentially with significant OC headroom renders all previous GCN cards and all current and past NVIDIA cards ancient, decrepid and vastly overpriced.

Vega's supposed to offer even higher IPC and performance per watt. Unless HBM2 turns out to be excruciatingly expensive, how the hell do Pascal cards compete at any price point ... and it's 2 years until NVIDIA have an answer, remember ... Volta is scheduled for mid '18 if there are no further setbacks - it's already been delayed ~3 years.

Navi's also scheduled to drop before Volta.

This could be the end of the line for NVIDIA in the consumer market .... though I sincerely hope not, as AMD's prices will then rise and no doubt their innovation will slow down.
 
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Nvidia have not gone anywhere near as dense as they can on the node, GP100 is far denser than GP104. That is the main reason why they can have such high clocks. IF the density was closer to that of GP100 then GP104 would more than likely not clock as high as it can.

Now from it appearing that 36CU's may be the full P10 part, it appears that AMD have not gone as dense as they normally would with the new node, which means we may see RX480's with higher clocks than past parts. could go as high at 16-1800.

Depends how packed the transistors are together, Amd packs them tighter together from what I heard but I could be wrong.

On any given process you can design the chip differently, different density, there are different choices of metals possible, different transistor designs, some are thicker, attain higher clocks or leak less. So given a specific chip design you can apply that design to a process and achieve different things, denser, higher clocks, lower leakage, lower power, etc. As you've mentioned 1080 has a low density for the given process. But architecture also dictates clock speed, a architecture is designed for a given clock speed.

So where lets say Polaris can maybe run at either 1Ghz or 1.3Ghz base clocks based on implementing the chip differently on the process, larger die, less dense, different transistor design, another architecture, lets say Tahiti, might have options of 1.2 or 1.6Ghz using those different process implementations.

Don't forget that Maxwell ran at significantly different speeds to Kepler on the same node, while all of AMD's chips had a different design and obtained a different range of clock speeds using the same process as Nvidia.

Two things dictate clock speeds and generally there is no wrong option, higher ipc/lower clocks, lower ipc/higher clocks are equally good choices.
 
If a 480 can OC'd in a stable manner which can match 1070 FE also OC'd, not only would i be shocked - but the pig flying over my house would be aswell.

I'm completely rooting for AMD this generation as it shows from my previous post, i want to see more competition in the market... But to expect a £230 odd card to match a £400 card is asking a bit much... Best scenario is an OC'd 480 will be within 15% of a OC'd 1070 FE, forcing Nvidia to adjust their pricing strategy. Also gives a fantastic indication for the potential performance of Vega.

I agree. I doubt the 480 will even get to FuryX level let alone a 1070. Would AMD really withhold the info if it did? Always a possibility but not likely and best not to get hopes up for such an unrealistic scenario.

If the card can match a 390X/980 then it is a good deal. With overclocking it may come close to Fury nano or Pro level which is excellent for the price.
 
This could be the end of the line for NVIDIA in the consumer market .... though I sincerely hope not, as AMD's prices will then rise and no doubt their innovation will slow down.

Yer, fingers crossed NVidia can survive and give AMD some decent competition!
 
Disruptive is hardly the word. Between Fury (/Nano) and 980Ti performance at ~100W and $199/230, potentially with significant OC headroom renders all previous GCN cards and all current and past NVIDIA cards ancient, decrepid and vastly overpriced.

Vega's supposed to offer even higher IPC and performance per watt. Unless HBM2 turns out to be excruciatingly expensive, how the hell do Pascal cards compete at any price point ... and it's 2 years until NVIDIA have an answer, remember ... Volta is scheduled for mid '18 if there an no further setbacks - it's already been delayed ~3 years.


Thats a good way to put it.
 
That test was with old drivers and even then the test itself doesn't reflect how it will perform in games..

I only get 2.7 with a single 7950 OC to 1165MHz. Crossfire would therefore give about 5 in the steam VR test compared to 7.1 or higher for a 390X.

However in games the crossfire 7950's I had previously were as fast as a 390x/980.
VR is not normal gaming, though. And the bench is harsh on framedrops, as it should be. Especially if you're using SteamVR and not the Oculus SDK which has asynchronous time warp to smooth things over.

Basically, it's not a linear sort of scale. If the main priority was just average framerate like in normal benches, they'd have made that the priority of the bench, but what it tests is how stable a framerate a card can produce. So your 7950, while it may produce a decent enough average framerate(though still not enough for VR obviously), might fare quite poorly in terms of actual drops/frametiming.
 
Disruptive is hardly the word. Between Fury (/Nano) and 980Ti performance at ~100W and $199/230, potentially with significant OC headroom renders all previous GCN cards and all current and past NVIDIA cards ancient, decrepid and vastly overpriced.

Vega's supposed to offer even higher IPC and performance per watt. Unless HBM2 turns out to be excruciatingly expensive, how the hell do Pascal cards compete at any price point ... and it's 2 years until NVIDIA have an answer, remember ... Volta is scheduled for mid '18 if there are no further setbacks - it's already been delayed ~3 years.

Navi's also scheduled to drop before Volta.

This could be the end of the line for NVIDIA in the consumer market .... though I sincerely hope not, as AMD's prices will then rise and no doubt their innovation will slow down.


PMASL. Keep taking your med please.
 
As long as along with 'this CPU' it puts AMD back to healthy profits; and Nvidia also continue to be strong, its all good.

 
This could be the end of the line for NVIDIA in the consumer market
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You're serious too, aren't you?

After telling us how it was an absolute certainty that AMD would release AT LEAST several months before Nvidia could ready Pascal, your posts have a serious flavor of kool aid to them.
 
Yer, fingers crossed NVidia can survive and give AMD some decent competition!

NVIDIA deserve to lose vast chunks of their market share, and I hope they do - they've been holding back the industry for the last 10 years, and their practices in the last 2-4 have been horrendous.

But their lack of either will or ability to deliver a truly new, modern architecture looks like it will cost them incredibly dearly.

But for them to exit the market entirely (which absolutely is possible) would be terrible for consumers.

Whilst I doubt AMD as a new monopoly would gouge that badly, there is absolutely no way we'd have seen them push Mantle, DX12, Vulkan, HSA, HBM and a radically faster, cheaper and more efficient architecture like Polaris if they were a long incumbent monopoly.
 
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